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kal Forum Administrator
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Nashou66
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donthenovice
Joined: 15 Feb 2014 Posts: 3 Location: Ca
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I’ve just received by replacement tv (E701i-A3) from Vizio. It has a new added feature (CMS). Under this menu it provides for an 11pt greyscale calibration. It starts at 5% and then goes to 100% by 10’s. For each point there is an adjustment for red, green and blue. Under this menu there is also a color tuner. This has red, green, blue, cyan, magenta and yellow. Each color has settings for hue, saturation and brightness. The red, green and blue have an additional adjustment for offset and gain. If I were doing a 2pt greyscale calibration I guess I would use just the color tune and the gain and offset. However if I use the 11pt option do I need to use the offset and gain found under the color tuner?
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Don
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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If you're doing a greyscale calibration you need to use the R/G/B for greyscale, likely not controls in any color menus as that is probably part of the CMS. I really depends on the manufacturer and how they have laid things out however.
If I understand correctly you're asking how the specific controls in your TV work and what they actually do. Every manufacturer offers different controls so you need to work with your display and figure out what each of the controls actually control and go from there. Unfortunately there are quite literally 100's of TV manufacturers all with different controls. We cannot offer detailed instructions for each TV model, nor do we have an in-depth understanding of each of the 100's of models that exist.
Good luck!
Kal
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donthenovice
Joined: 15 Feb 2014 Posts: 3 Location: Ca
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Thank you for the quick reply. I guess I'm wondering what the "offset" and "gain" are for which is under the "color tuner" and apply to the red green blue only. I realize this may be outside your ability as there aren't any real naming conventions or the like. If you have any guesses please feel free to elaborate.
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Don
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kal Forum Administrator
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donthenovice
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I have two more questions and then I'm ready to use your greyscale&Color calibration for dummies. 1. My set has the offset and gain for a 2 pt cal and also a 11pt way to do it. Do I do the 2 pt then a 11pt or go straight to the 11pt. 2. My set is an edge lit LED. Do I use full screen or window for greyscale and color? btw I'm using you old ver because I have the old eye one and all the software loaded. Nice piece of work you did.
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Don
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kal Forum Administrator
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ccsjnw
Joined: 17 Mar 2014 Posts: 2 Location: UK
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Kal, thanks for producing a 2nd edition of the guide.
I notice that the new guide omits the section on Chroma Meter orientation.
I'd like to see this section included at the end of the Introduction, after introducing the equipment that will be required.
Thanks.
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kal Forum Administrator
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ccsjnw
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Kal,
The words are there, but I think the pictures that were in the original guide did a better job of explaining where the meter should go. The pictures provided that extra degree of clarity.
Regards,
James.
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kal Forum Administrator
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FreSte
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Hi all,
I have just purchased a license for Chromapure and now I would like to use it for calibrating my LED TV Sony KDL-46HX855. Maybe it would be more appropriate in my case to speak about "attempting to improve the quality of the image" instead of "calibrating".
I wondering if with the screen technology of this TV (i.e. LED TV with front gorilla glass) it would be better to place the meter directly in contact with the screen or place it on a tripod back some inches or a foot from the screen. I should be grateful if someone may advise on this regard.
Thank you
Stefano
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kal Forum Administrator
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FreSte
Joined: 01 Oct 2012 Posts: 3 Location: Italy
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Hi again Kal,
I read the outstanding guide and during the past week-end I experienced my first TV calibration.
Now I would like to perform one for SD TV channel. Is there any specific advice / Chromapure setting to be applied for this calibration?
Regarding the usage of the Chromapure internal test patterns. I can read in the guide that you recommend to use 75% setting for Signal Intensity: what is the impact on the calibration using 100% intensity?
Thank you
Stefano
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kal Forum Administrator
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| FreSte wrote: | | Now I would like to perform one for SD TV channel. Is there any specific advice / Chromapure setting to be applied for this calibration? |
SDTV (Rec 601) gamut targets are slightly different than HDTV (Rec 701). See section 2.6. For what it's worth I don't find it worth having two sets of settings (one for each gamut). I calibrate for my best source (HDTV) using the Rec701 gamut as the target as I don't want to have to switch back and forth between the two as I switch between watching DVD and Blu-ray or SD satellite vs HD satellite. The difference is minimal and SD looks pretty sad to begin with so what's the point?
| Quote: | | Regarding the usage of the Chromapure internal test patterns. I can read in the guide that you recommend to use 75% setting for Signal Intensity: what is the impact on the calibration using 100% intensity? |
Not sure - that's Tom's suggestion (ChromaPure author). Probably to avoid measurement errors if the display clips or crush the signal (or only one of the R/G/B channels) when pushed to 100% intensity. You don't want to push the display outside the bounds of what it can display. For some display types blue will drop off first causing inaccurate results. Most people do not use the ChromaPure internal test patterns as their PC or laptop is not the source - it's always best to use your actual source (ex: Blu-ray player) as the source device. This usually means using a test disc like the one recommended in the guide. This way you've got all of the equipment in the loop. A pro may use a high end pattern generator simply because he knows what to expect (and it can be faster) but he will (or should) always verify the results later using the client's actual source too.
Kal
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FreSte
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Thanks a lot Kal for the clarifications.
I am novice in this matter so my questions may be not so meaningful consdering that I am approching this experince for the first time!
Stefano
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Hagar
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So when were talking low gamma or high gamma, (gads this is going to seem stupid)
Were saying going up (higher) 2.3 2.4 2.4 is a lower darker gamma, and going down (lower) 2.2 2.1 2.0 is a higher brighter gamma?
Straighten me out.
high is low and low is high, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills or something
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Just to clarify |
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| Hagar wrote: | So when were talking low gamma or high gamma, (gads this is going to seem stupid)
Were saying going up (higher) 2.3 2.4 2.4 is a lower darker gamma, and going down (lower) 2.2 2.1 2.0 is a higher brighter gamma? |
A lower gamma number is a brighter picture.
A higher gamma number is a less bright picture.
Example:
Take a look at the graphs in the guide for some other examples.
Kal
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