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New info for Marquee owners?

 
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Curt Palme
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:01 pm    Post subject: New info for Marquee owners?

This was new to me over the weekend, so I'll share. I've had a few Marquee 9500s come in recently with massive discoloration of the glycol, I call it 'urine yellow'. Yuck! I bought one set last year that had bad bellows and discoloration, etc. This wasn't fungus per se, it was just a uniform yellow coloring of the glycol, and of course the color spectrum went all to hell.

I had a hunch as to why this was happening, and I confirmed it this weekend. I had drained and cleaned out the LC chamber of three tubes, and filled them with water as to not waste glycol. I sat the tubes upside down on a shelf for the last 2 months, and checked them yesterday. All three had wisps of fungus type looking crap floating in the water, and having left it alone, I'm sure it would have turned yellow.

I then drained the water out, and checked the fill holes. On all three tubes, the rubber washer under the fill hole screws had turned to mush, and the mush mixed with the water/glycol, causing the yellow tint.

Time to source out new fill screws and thin rubber washers.
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stridsvognen
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:46 pm    Post subject:

Curt it would be nice if you could have fill hole screws, and the screws to put the below.

I guess there is 2 lengths of screws for the belows, one for those old models with metal ring, and another for the new with plast ring.

With the metric system here its realy hard to find any inch screws around, i guess i could measure and find some on ebay, but if you have them for a good price, you can sende with other parts when ordering stuff from you. (Hint.. Marquee housings.)
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:21 pm    Post subject:

I'm on it, ditto for the housings. I need to get screws that hold the belllows in, mine are really rusty and I don't want to send them to you that way. Smile
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Tim in Phoenix



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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:39 pm    Post subject:

Go Screw!

Fastenal Canada Co
12788 76a Ave, SURREY, BC V3W1S9
Canada
(604) 501-9016

Stainless usually in stock, bags of 50 way below hardware store prices
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Curt Palme
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject:

Hey, screw yourself! Very Happy

thanks, I'll go check them out today or tomorrow.
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:47 pm    Post subject:

ditto on the fastenal
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:58 pm    Post subject:

fill-hole is a 6-32 x 3/8" long button head socket screw. Ring-clamp are are typical 6-32 socket head cap screw but don't recall the length, I think they're also 3/8" long for the old steel retaining ring

mcmaster carr has the high grade 316 stainless 10 bucks for 100

http://www.mcmaster.com/#socket-head-cap-screws/=pjtt3w

for the fill screws part number 98164A107

cap screws 92185A147
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Curt Palme
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Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:58 pm    Post subject:

OK, I went to Fastenal, and they supplied me with everything except the most important part.. those damn washers under the fill holes that are impregnated with rubber.

What are they called, where can I get them? Fastenal says they know exactly what they are, but can't get them from their suppliers. I need 50 of them.. STAT! Can't fill my re-bellowed/re-glycoled tubes without them.

<edit> I called Fastenal back, it's called a 'bonded sealing washer' if anyone cares. Lots of them on eBay, ordering a crapload now...

<edit again> ebay nor anyone local that I could find had anything small enough. McMaster-Carr came through!
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:35 am    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
<edit again> ebay nor anyone local that I could find had anything small enough. McMaster-Carr came through!
I didn't have much luck with the mcmaster carr ones, they're not exactly the same as the original one.
I wanted to try a simple -007 viton o-ring directly under the button head of the screw but never got around to it
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:12 am    Post subject:

Sika-flex will do the job, or Permatex "The Right Stuff".
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:49 pm    Post subject:

draganm wrote:
Curt Palme wrote:
<edit again> ebay nor anyone local that I could find had anything small enough. McMaster-Carr came through!
I didn't have much luck with the mcmaster carr ones, they're not exactly the same as the original one.


As in what, leakage?
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:19 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
draganm wrote:
Curt Palme wrote:
<edit again> ebay nor anyone local that I could find had anything small enough. McMaster-Carr came through!
I didn't have much luck with the mcmaster carr ones, they're not exactly the same as the original one.


As in what, leakage?
yup, the ones I tried leaked but not every time. Depends on the casting. The LC housing for the marquee was crudely made. I would put the mcmaser washer with the larger rubber side down and the smaller side facing up to the screw.
a little RTV silicone is fine too
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Posted: Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:40 pm    Post subject:

OK, thanks will do! For fun, I put some water into the contaminated housing after flushing the chamber out, and after 2 months of sitting on the shelf, I could see the water starting to discolor due to more seepage from the rubber washers into the water.

Seems like those sealing washers have a limited lifespan just like the bellows. I'll be changing those washers out with every tube that comes through here from now on.
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:30 am    Post subject:

Sooo.... any good source for the washers? Did this thread die without an answer (or did I just read badly)?

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