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Andreas21
Joined: 02 Oct 2013
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| Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Ohh and i wonder why anyone need to support 4K60hz input.? |
This is the spec for HDMI 2.0 at 8 bits that is why. And if we will ever need it I donīt know. Me personallly would prefer 4K 23.98hz with 12 bits or higher, but I think 12 bits is good enough. What the final 4K format will have I dont know yet.
And when I upgrade my VW1000 it will be HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 compatible that is why I asked for 4K 60Hz bandwith. |
Now i cant stop wondering why anything needs to be compatible for somthing that dont exist.
Is it not better to wait for a 4K standard, and then see if there will be a compatible upgrade to support it, or buy a new projector if it shows that its then outdated.? |
Do you want me to answer that also, and do you want to make fun of me if I canīt or wonīt answer??
HDMI 2.0 has these specs and Sony promised the byers of the VW1000 to match the specs of the coming 4K standard via an upgrade. And I think the coming 4K format will be inside of these specs, so I am happy with the solution Sony has come up with and there is no one forceing us to buy the upgrade. Sony har also come up with a 4K server for its 4K displays, but it only works in the USA for the moment because of the different distrubution rights in Europe. The server will be awailable in Europe later, but to me it is more important with a 4K format all the different companies can support and deliver content to and I am looking forward to the release of a new format. I think we will see it in 2014.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Yeah mate all jokes aside, i do agree, but at the same time i like to have a joke. And lets face it, why would i care if someone doesnt like my screen format?  What i select to display my images is no indication of anything other than the fact i like to play retro games and dont want a 4:3 pattern worn into my 1.78:1 area. Besides that, with the blanking up, my screen is the same as any other 1.78:1 or 2.35:1 screen, and im using maximum tube face to do all 4 aspects. How can it be anything other than positive??? |
What you have has noting to do with this, and you have and you use what you like.
And in the middle of all this there were a lot of sh*t talk and therefore this outcome.
Vi must be more to the topic here or start another topic about all this spoken about. |
Whether it is or not is not relevant, my point here is Andreas decided to take a shot at my selection of screens, so in doing that he invited me to make all the sh*t dribbling posts i like, and i dont mind taking full advantage of that fact |
I am sorry for that, but you started with calling me a clown. |
That is a common term of endearment here, dont take anything i say seriously, i mostly dribble garbage for my own amusement. Life is too short not to have abit of a laugh mate, and like i said before, it really doesnt fuss me either way what you think of my setup, cause i didnt build it for you!!
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | Very well said Diddern..
Its very hard to argue with idiots that only post pictures and wont add nr or facts to the debate. And try to change focus to the more personal level, instead of finishing what he started when he run out of facts, or clearly dont hold any facts.
Stuff we talk about here are very well documented, and its all about understanding it.
Now if you understand it, you will also be able to explain it to others, if you just read it and dont understand it you will not be able to explain it to others.
Read the existing facts, and understand them.
Maybe start with resolution, and move on to timings, and make a nice trip around bandwidth in different aplications.
Play with a scope, get a idea what your looking at and what you can get out of a square signal..
As you start understanding just a bit about the basic of the video signal, your mind will open up, and you will get much better background to evaluate what you see on the screen, there is so many different parameters hiding.
Now i know your ansver will be something like you dont need to know, or you know it all.
If the later, i think we will be able to find a subject we dident tuch yet, and you can explain how works.
There is absolutly nothing wrong in not knowing or understanding whats going on, and just enjoy the image in front of you, but when debating with others about basic stuff, it shines far out that your full of opinions, but dont realy hold any understanding to basic facts.
You just scratched the surface.. There is a hole lot more digging to do.
And this is not about whats best, best image best projector.. Im refering to the tech behind it all and the understanding of it.
Your welcome to argue this. but please do so with some hardcore facts, nr or whatever you can document, instead of personal attacks and funny pictures to display your frustration about not knowing. |
You have clearly no clue in what I know and understand in the techincal side and I am so fed up with you taking the teacher position. I have a high level of technical understanding and I have alot of experience with digital projectors and know about resolution, timings and bandwith and many other aspects. And I test alot of projectors and do side by side tests to determing wich is best in the different aspects of the picture. But I also have my limitations and admit I donīt have the knowledge to understand every different testpattern and so on.
What I find so difficult with you is that you will never stop even if I tell you to and you will never admit if you are wrong. And I think you think you know alot more than you actually know. To never give up is a good thing in many ways, but when people tell you to stop it is not. I know alot more than you think I know and you know alot less than you think and please stop trying to make me look like an clueless idiot.
And the personal attacks was started by someone else than me, but I am sorry for the attack on Corvetteman, but he started with calling me a clown. |
Funny you feel ofended in a reply i made to Diddern.. Guess that means the discription i made somehow hurt your felings.
I wonder why.?
About the teacher thing, then i feel its a bit like im the teacher from 1st grade who is preparing the kindergarden for scool.
Ill role over as soon the 2nd grade teacher or higher enters.. 
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Hahaha!!!
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Andreas21
Joined: 02 Oct 2013
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| Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | Very well said Diddern..
Its very hard to argue with idiots that only post pictures and wont add nr or facts to the debate. And try to change focus to the more personal level, instead of finishing what he started when he run out of facts, or clearly dont hold any facts.
Stuff we talk about here are very well documented, and its all about understanding it.
Now if you understand it, you will also be able to explain it to others, if you just read it and dont understand it you will not be able to explain it to others.
Read the existing facts, and understand them.
Maybe start with resolution, and move on to timings, and make a nice trip around bandwidth in different aplications.
Play with a scope, get a idea what your looking at and what you can get out of a square signal..
As you start understanding just a bit about the basic of the video signal, your mind will open up, and you will get much better background to evaluate what you see on the screen, there is so many different parameters hiding.
Now i know your ansver will be something like you dont need to know, or you know it all.
If the later, i think we will be able to find a subject we dident tuch yet, and you can explain how works.
There is absolutly nothing wrong in not knowing or understanding whats going on, and just enjoy the image in front of you, but when debating with others about basic stuff, it shines far out that your full of opinions, but dont realy hold any understanding to basic facts.
You just scratched the surface.. There is a hole lot more digging to do.
And this is not about whats best, best image best projector.. Im refering to the tech behind it all and the understanding of it.
Your welcome to argue this. but please do so with some hardcore facts, nr or whatever you can document, instead of personal attacks and funny pictures to display your frustration about not knowing. |
You have clearly no clue in what I know and understand in the techincal side and I am so fed up with you taking the teacher position. I have a high level of technical understanding and I have alot of experience with digital projectors and know about resolution, timings and bandwith and many other aspects. And I test alot of projectors and do side by side tests to determing wich is best in the different aspects of the picture. But I also have my limitations and admit I donīt have the knowledge to understand every different testpattern and so on.
What I find so difficult with you is that you will never stop even if I tell you to and you will never admit if you are wrong. And I think you think you know alot more than you actually know. To never give up is a good thing in many ways, but when people tell you to stop it is not. I know alot more than you think I know and you know alot less than you think and please stop trying to make me look like an clueless idiot.
And the personal attacks was started by someone else than me, but I am sorry for the attack on Corvetteman, but he started with calling me a clown. |
Funny you feel ofended in a reply i made to Diddern.. Guess that means the discription i made somehow hurt your felings.
I wonder why.?
About the teacher thing, then i feel its a bit like im the teacher from 1st grade who is preparing the kindergarden for scool.
Ill role over as soon the 2nd grade teacher or higher enters.. |
Yes, I think maby you have about 1st grade knowledge and not very much higher and I think I might have highschool level when it comers to projectors, we still have alot to learn both of us.
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km987654
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
Posts: 2874
Location: Australia
TV/Projector: Barco BG809s
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| Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | I have been testing a Greg Eisemann HDMI Port 3 board and its just magic. I could tell you all day how good it is but you will produce technical details that show a digital is better. |
Well so much for that it was great while it lasted. The board has developed a problem after only a few movies everything has gone green
Greg wants USD$300 to repair it or USD$585 for a new one. 
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | | I have been testing a Greg Eisemann HDMI Port 3 board and its just magic. I could tell you all day how good it is but you will produce technical details that show a digital is better. |
Well so much for that it was great while it lasted. The board has developed a problem after only a few movies everything has gone green
Greg wants USD$300 to repair it or USD$585 for a new one. |
Its cheper to buy a mint Marquee 9500LC ultra and a moome V3 lol
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | | I have been testing a Greg Eisemann HDMI Port 3 board and its just magic. I could tell you all day how good it is but you will produce technical details that show a digital is better. |
Well so much for that it was great while it lasted. The board has developed a problem after only a few movies everything has gone green
Greg wants USD$300 to repair it or USD$585 for a new one. |
That is excellent customer service! 
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barclay66
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | Greg wants USD$300 to repair it or USD$585 for a new one. |
No warranty?
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Francisco
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jbmeyer13
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| Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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43 pages of B.S. and counting...
How about we just agree that Kurt's PJ is better than the Sony from 0-5 IRE and that the Sony is better at everything else. 
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Francisco
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| Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Edid: post quoted someone for someone else sorry 
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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The images is from a CRT.. right.?
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | | I have been testing a Greg Eisemann HDMI Port 3 board and its just magic. I could tell you all day how good it is but you will produce technical details that show a digital is better. |
Well so much for that it was great while it lasted. The board has developed a problem after only a few movies everything has gone green
Greg wants USD$300 to repair it or USD$585 for a new one. |
Knowing you Keith im sure youve gone over it all yourself and tried different sources?
Id expect Greg would warrant this, but i dont know what arrangement you purchased it under. Do you have another Barco to test it in?
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km987654
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | | I have been testing a Greg Eisemann HDMI Port 3 board and its just magic. I could tell you all day how good it is but you will produce technical details that show a digital is better. |
Well so much for that it was great while it lasted. The board has developed a problem after only a few movies everything has gone green
Greg wants USD$300 to repair it or USD$585 for a new one. |
Knowing you Keith im sure youve gone over it all yourself and tried different sources?
Id expect Greg would warrant this, but i dont know what arrangement you purchased it under. Do you have another Barco to test it in? |
Hey Case
Its just information. I thought members might want to know what things cost.
Yes I have been right through this with different sources and I also have different port three configurations without Gregs board so I will look at what is best from here for me.
Still the information on cost is useful for people to asses if they want to go down that road. Third party devices mean you are tied to the source and whatever their costs are.
I purchased the board from a forum member so its a used board.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Oh i see, i didnt know if you got it new or not. That makes a difference then.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Clowns hehe
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Diddern
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| km987654 wrote: | | km987654 wrote: | | I have been testing a Greg Eisemann HDMI Port 3 board and its just magic. I could tell you all day how good it is but you will produce technical details that show a digital is better. |
Well so much for that it was great while it lasted. The board has developed a problem after only a few movies everything has gone green
Greg wants USD$300 to repair it or USD$585 for a new one. |
 for god service.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Do you mean "for god sake"?
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