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Nashou66
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I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
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mp20748
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| Nashou66 wrote: | I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
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No, way more areas than that..
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
Nashou |
Nothing to be upset about and just fun that old stuff still do a great job, but its not pretty close at all, its far off, but ok,, to let this dead and everyone happy, pretty close "Happy" 
If the truth is hard to swallow you lie hehe
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Diddern
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| Nashou66 wrote: | I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
Nashou |
Sorry, you have no clue what you talking about.
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AnalogRocks
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| Diddern wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
Nashou |
Sorry, you have no clue what you talking about. |
LMASO! No, Nash has NOOOO clue what CRT can do.
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Diddern
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
Nashou |
Sorry, you have no clue what you talking about. |
LMASO! No, Nash has NOOOO clue what CRT can do. |
I'm shore he know CRT, but we talk about crt vs digital. And by saying what he said I hold my statement 100%.
I know WERY well what a Crt can do and what a digital can do.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
Nashou |
Sorry, you have no clue what you talking about. |
LMASO! No, Nash has NOOOO clue what CRT can do. |
I'm shore he know CRT, but we talk about crt vs digital. And by saying what he said I hold my statement 100%.
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Dont forget, your not the only one that have seen expensive Digital machines VS CRT, you can put up parameters where digital will do better, and the same for CRT, and if your eyes dont notice the stuff CRT do much better, you will for sure prefer digital.
So no reason to beat on all CRT machines, just because no one in Norway know how to setup a CRT system.
So forget about YOUR facts, and be happy that you like your digital machine.
For sure we will never agree, and im ok with that.
The interesting in this thread is if Gregg have somthing new to offer the Barco CRT.. That will make a difference..
Ill like to see a 3,5Ghz capable CRT projector..
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Andreas21
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| Nashou66 wrote: | I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
Nashou |
A CRT can only beat for example the VW1000 on total black with no info in the picture with iris on the VW1000 is very close, but when you have a mixed scene with black , white and other colors the VW1000 can show much darker blacks than any CRT. That is because the intrascene contrast/ansi contrast on the VW1000 is much better than any CRT modified or original can ever produce. Why we need multi scan capabilities with a digital source I am not sure, but it is true the CRT has better motion resolution. So I think we say 1 area!
But real motion watching a movie the VW100 is much better than any CRT!
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Andreas21
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
Nashou |
Sorry, you have no clue what you talking about. |
LMASO! No, Nash has NOOOO clue what CRT can do. |
I'm shore he know CRT, but we talk about crt vs digital. And by saying what he said I hold my statement 100%.
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Dont forget, your not the only one that have seen expensive Digital machines VS CRT, you can put up parameters where digital will do better, and the same for CRT, and if your eyes dont notice the stuff CRT do much better, you will for sure prefer digital.
So no reason to beat on all CRT machines, just because no one in Norway know how to setup a CRT system.
So forget about YOUR facts, and be happy that you like your digital machine.
For sure we will never agree, and im ok with that.
The interesting in this thread is if Gregg have somthing new to offer the Barco CRT.. That will make a difference..
Ill like to see a 3,5Ghz capable CRT projector.. |
I think there is alot of people in Norway who knows how to set up a CRT well, but the problem is that almost everyone of those people have come to the conclution that the CRT era is over and they have moved on to digital. And if it is so difficult to set up a CRT to get the best out of it I am really happy I never bougt one 15-20 years ago... 
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
Nashou |
Sorry, you have no clue what you talking about. |
LMASO! No, Nash has NOOOO clue what CRT can do. |
I'm shore he know CRT, but we talk about crt vs digital. And by saying what he said I hold my statement 100%.
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Dont forget, your not the only one that have seen expensive Digital machines VS CRT, you can put up parameters where digital will do better, and the same for CRT, and if your eyes dont notice the stuff CRT do much better, you will for sure prefer digital.
So no reason to beat on all CRT machines, just because no one in Norway know how to setup a CRT system.
So forget about YOUR facts, and be happy that you like your digital machine.
For sure we will never agree, and im ok with that.
The interesting in this thread is if Gregg have somthing new to offer the Barco CRT.. That will make a difference..
Ill like to see a 3,5Ghz capable CRT projector.. |
You compared an old JVC and far form what you can get today. Even form a low cost god digital machine today. FACT.
Not that its any point that digital beats CRT today NO, but FACT 1000%
And by agree or not agree that is up to what you like and prefer, but no way what so ever say that its better, the ONLY thing a CRT will be better on is total darkness like I have said many times before. And no problem to prove that I am right.
And Again!! I like CRT strange to believe I know hehe, but true. But what I talk about here, is that the closest you get to a perfect picture right now in 2013 is a Sony VW1000 or VW1100 and have a big lead in todays marked in my eyes. And to say something else is just being a FAN BOY or protect what you have.
I also like to see what the new modds do to a 909 and with the new simulator tubes that make the sharpness even 30% better than the original tubes like MR G says, but still FAAR away on everything form a god digital except that I have written 100 times now. This is harder than being a kinder garden teacher to make you guy understand the fact based on fact. hehe
But that does not matter, as long as you like what you have.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
Nashou |
Sorry, you have no clue what you talking about. |
LMASO! No, Nash has NOOOO clue what CRT can do. |
I'm shore he know CRT, but we talk about crt vs digital. And by saying what he said I hold my statement 100%.
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Dont forget, your not the only one that have seen expensive Digital machines VS CRT, you can put up parameters where digital will do better, and the same for CRT, and if your eyes dont notice the stuff CRT do much better, you will for sure prefer digital.
So no reason to beat on all CRT machines, just because no one in Norway know how to setup a CRT system.
So forget about YOUR facts, and be happy that you like your digital machine.
For sure we will never agree, and im ok with that.
The interesting in this thread is if Gregg have somthing new to offer the Barco CRT.. That will make a difference..
Ill like to see a 3,5Ghz capable CRT projector.. |
I think there is alot of people in Norway who knows how to set up a CRT well, but the problem is that almost everyone of those people have come to the conclution that the CRT era is over and they have moved on to digital. And if it is so difficult to set up a CRT to get the best out of it I am really happy I never bougt one 15.20 years ago... |
Belive me we are many here whos happy to..
There is enough fighing over the good CRT parts with the users we have already.
But if there is a 3,5Ghz capable projector out there, i will think it eats digital for breakfast.. Just dont seems to be anyone interested in documenting it.. Lots of the fine detail ANSI contrast is hidden in the bandwidth.
Or maybe someone just did get the scope reading wrong, and found out that the bandwidth still sucks on the BARCO projectors lol
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Andreas21
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
Nashou |
Sorry, you have no clue what you talking about. |
LMASO! No, Nash has NOOOO clue what CRT can do. |
I'm shore he know CRT, but we talk about crt vs digital. And by saying what he said I hold my statement 100%.
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Dont forget, your not the only one that have seen expensive Digital machines VS CRT, you can put up parameters where digital will do better, and the same for CRT, and if your eyes dont notice the stuff CRT do much better, you will for sure prefer digital.
So no reason to beat on all CRT machines, just because no one in Norway know how to setup a CRT system.
So forget about YOUR facts, and be happy that you like your digital machine.
For sure we will never agree, and im ok with that.
The interesting in this thread is if Gregg have somthing new to offer the Barco CRT.. That will make a difference..
Ill like to see a 3,5Ghz capable CRT projector.. |
I think there is alot of people in Norway who knows how to set up a CRT well, but the problem is that almost everyone of those people have come to the conclution that the CRT era is over and they have moved on to digital. And if it is so difficult to set up a CRT to get the best out of it I am really happy I never bougt one 15.20 years ago... |
Belive me we are many here whos happy to..
There is enough fighing over the good CRT parts with the users we have already.
But if there is a 3,5Ghz capable projector out there, i will think it eats digital for breakfast.. Just dont seems to be anyone interested in documenting it.. Lots of the fine detail ANSI contrast is hidden in the bandwidth.
Or maybe someone just did get the scope reading wrong, and found out that the bandwidth still sucks on the BARCO projectors lol |
A CRT will never even sit at the same table as the VW1000.
A friend of mine got the 3.5Ghz mod and the difference was minor, almost not a visible difference. So I think you are very wrong with your statements!
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
Nashou |
Sorry, you have no clue what you talking about. |
LMASO! No, Nash has NOOOO clue what CRT can do. |
I'm shore he know CRT, but we talk about crt vs digital. And by saying what he said I hold my statement 100%.
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Dont forget, your not the only one that have seen expensive Digital machines VS CRT, you can put up parameters where digital will do better, and the same for CRT, and if your eyes dont notice the stuff CRT do much better, you will for sure prefer digital.
So no reason to beat on all CRT machines, just because no one in Norway know how to setup a CRT system.
So forget about YOUR facts, and be happy that you like your digital machine.
For sure we will never agree, and im ok with that.
The interesting in this thread is if Gregg have somthing new to offer the Barco CRT.. That will make a difference..
Ill like to see a 3,5Ghz capable CRT projector.. |
I think there is alot of people in Norway who knows how to set up a CRT well, but the problem is that almost everyone of those people have come to the conclution that the CRT era is over and they have moved on to digital. And if it is so difficult to set up a CRT to get the best out of it I am really happy I never bougt one 15.20 years ago... |
Belive me we are many here whos happy to..
There is enough fighing over the good CRT parts with the users we have already.
But if there is a 3,5Ghz capable projector out there, i will think it eats digital for breakfast.. Just dont seems to be anyone interested in documenting it.. Lots of the fine detail ANSI contrast is hidden in the bandwidth.
Or maybe someone just did get the scope reading wrong, and found out that the bandwidth still sucks on the BARCO projectors lol |
Sure sure sure  lol
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Spanky Ham
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| Diddern wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | You know DIddern, you make yourself out the be the grand sage of video pj quality, but what exactly is the basis of this title? Are you in the industry? Is your education in this field? In contrast, are you just an enthusiast who has seen and compared some projectors? |
I have hunted for the best picture for many years now, and I do this testing and stuff for fun.
And to find the best possible for my price level.
I do side by side tests just for own interest and learning.
And of course after many years of this,I see differences, also quality easy.
I have friends that do the same, so we often meet or call very often.
Also with a educated high professional calibrator picture and sound on the team it's easy to get facts..
Everything I say is checked up so I know I write facts.
You can at least believe what I say is true, and that I chec things before I say or write stuff unlike others.
So no superman here just someone that is very interested and have the possibility to do tests of projectors with NO commission from anyone if I write positive or negative. Just fact fact fact. With visible seen picture. Sheep or expensive.
And sorry my English I'm Norwegian. 👌 |
So, you are just an enthusiast. I applaud you for researching and seeking out the best projector that you can find. My issue is that you are a sample size of one and you then make statements as fact when they are an opinion. While you believe your statements are definitive, there are still variables in your testing. I don't discount your opinions, but I don't consider them irrefutable fact. I know more than a few industry professionals, who have given me their opinions and like anything else I consider it another sample to weigh in.
Personally, I don't totally disagree that a JVC throws as good or better pic than a CRT. The digitals win in a lot of areas, but CRT still is better in motion resolution and on/off cr. Until I see the tests, I won't believe your opinion that the Sony or any other digital has equaled CRT in motion.
The claim that the Sony is the best projector available is also subject to opinion. I prefer 3 chip dlp over LCOS. You can say the Sony is better than any 3 chip, but that is your opinion. Several years ago, I listened to a projector engineer rant on all of the problems with LCOS in general and Sony's previous 4k in particular. I don't remember all of the problems he stated, but I doubt Sony solved them all if any.
Finally, the the benefit of 4k upscaled is fill factor and smoothness of image. Saying upscaled 1080p to 4k produces a superior image is opinion. I have heard both sides of the argument and I lean towards the no benefit side.
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Diddern
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | You know DIddern, you make yourself out the be the grand sage of video pj quality, but what exactly is the basis of this title? Are you in the industry? Is your education in this field? In contrast, are you just an enthusiast who has seen and compared some projectors? |
I have hunted for the best picture for many years now, and I do this testing and stuff for fun.
And to find the best possible for my price level.
I do side by side tests just for own interest and learning.
And of course after many years of this,I see differences, also quality easy.
I have friends that do the same, so we often meet or call very often.
Also with a educated high professional calibrator picture and sound on the team it's easy to get facts..
Everything I say is checked up so I know I write facts.
You can at least believe what I say is true, and that I chec things before I say or write stuff unlike others.
So no superman here just someone that is very interested and have the possibility to do tests of projectors with NO commission from anyone if I write positive or negative. Just fact fact fact. With visible seen picture. Sheep or expensive.
And sorry my English I'm Norwegian. 👌 |
So, you are just an enthusiast. I applaud you for researching and seeking out the best projector that you can find. My issue is that you are a sample size of one and you then make statements as fact when they are an opinion. While you believe your statements are definitive, there are still variables in your testing. I don't discount your opinions, but I don't consider them irrefutable fact. I know more than a few industry professionals, who have given me their opinions and like anything else I consider it another sample to weigh in.
Personally, I don't totally disagree that a JVC throws as good or better pic than a CRT. The digitals win in a lot of areas, but CRT still is better in motion resolution and on/off cr. Until I see the tests, I won't believe your opinion that the Sony or any other digital has equaled CRT in motion.
The claim that the Sony is the best projector available is also subject to opinion. I prefer 3 chip dlp over LCOS. You can say the Sony is better than any 3 chip, but that is your opinion. Several years ago, I listened to a projector engineer rant on all of the problems with LCOS in general and Sony's previous 4k in particular. I don't remember all of the problems he stated, but I doubt Sony solved them all if any.
Finally, the the benefit of 4k upscaled is fill factor and smoothness of image. Saying upscaled 1080p to 4k produces a superior image is opinion. I have heard both sides of the argument and I lean towards the no benefit side. |
Yes yes yes,
I have tested with many persons present, many times. And same result every time.
Believe what you want I do not care. I know the fact you don't.
Happy weekend
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stridsvognen
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | I think the digital guys just get upset that a 15 year old Projector can perform pretty close to a 2014 model year PJ. And beat it in two areas, black and true multi scan capabilities. Digital's will never do true multi scan native resolutions because they are fixed pixel displays. Oh make it three areas, motion resolution.
Nashou |
Sorry, you have no clue what you talking about. |
LMASO! No, Nash has NOOOO clue what CRT can do. |
I'm shore he know CRT, but we talk about crt vs digital. And by saying what he said I hold my statement 100%.
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Dont forget, your not the only one that have seen expensive Digital machines VS CRT, you can put up parameters where digital will do better, and the same for CRT, and if your eyes dont notice the stuff CRT do much better, you will for sure prefer digital.
So no reason to beat on all CRT machines, just because no one in Norway know how to setup a CRT system.
So forget about YOUR facts, and be happy that you like your digital machine.
For sure we will never agree, and im ok with that.
The interesting in this thread is if Gregg have somthing new to offer the Barco CRT.. That will make a difference..
Ill like to see a 3,5Ghz capable CRT projector.. |
I think there is alot of people in Norway who knows how to set up a CRT well, but the problem is that almost everyone of those people have come to the conclution that the CRT era is over and they have moved on to digital. And if it is so difficult to set up a CRT to get the best out of it I am really happy I never bougt one 15.20 years ago... |
Belive me we are many here whos happy to..
There is enough fighing over the good CRT parts with the users we have already.
But if there is a 3,5Ghz capable projector out there, i will think it eats digital for breakfast.. Just dont seems to be anyone interested in documenting it.. Lots of the fine detail ANSI contrast is hidden in the bandwidth.
Or maybe someone just did get the scope reading wrong, and found out that the bandwidth still sucks on the BARCO projectors lol |
A CRT will never even sit at the same table as the VW1000.
A friend of mine got the 3.5Ghz mod and the difference was minor, almost not a visible difference. So I think you are very wrong with your statements! |
Wrong in what way.. That the Barco bandwidth still sucks, or that bandwidth have a big impact on fine detail ansi contrast.?
3,5Ghz is a joke.. No crt will ever get a bandwidth that high.. what i hear is that no standard Barco go much higher than 100Mhz.. true all the video chain, loosing huge amounts of information and fine detail ansi contrast.
Is it possible you can make your friend post a 1:1 1920x1080P 60hz screenshot. With the 3,5Ghz mod.
that will show much more about these Barco mods than anyone have shared so far.
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Andreas21
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Screenshots will be posted by Diddern as the owner of this Barco is also a friend og his.
I also think this 3.5Ghz is a big joke and all the CRT mods to, and I think you are wrong that ansicontrast can be lost thru the video chain. Ansicontrast is one of the biggest disadvantages a CRT has against a good digital, a good CRT measures about 100:1 and a good digital 6-700:1 and if you combine this with high on/off contrast like the VW1000 has you get a very dynamic and 3 dimentional picture a CRT can only dream about. Combined with the sharpness and brightness this is a killer combination.
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Andreas21
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | You know DIddern, you make yourself out the be the grand sage of video pj quality, but what exactly is the basis of this title? Are you in the industry? Is your education in this field? In contrast, are you just an enthusiast who has seen and compared some projectors? |
I have hunted for the best picture for many years now, and I do this testing and stuff for fun.
And to find the best possible for my price level.
I do side by side tests just for own interest and learning.
And of course after many years of this,I see differences, also quality easy.
I have friends that do the same, so we often meet or call very often.
Also with a educated high professional calibrator picture and sound on the team it's easy to get facts..
Everything I say is checked up so I know I write facts.
You can at least believe what I say is true, and that I chec things before I say or write stuff unlike others.
So no superman here just someone that is very interested and have the possibility to do tests of projectors with NO commission from anyone if I write positive or negative. Just fact fact fact. With visible seen picture. Sheep or expensive.
And sorry my English I'm Norwegian. 👌 |
So, you are just an enthusiast. I applaud you for researching and seeking out the best projector that you can find. My issue is that you are a sample size of one and you then make statements as fact when they are an opinion. While you believe your statements are definitive, there are still variables in your testing. I don't discount your opinions, but I don't consider them irrefutable fact. I know more than a few industry professionals, who have given me their opinions and like anything else I consider it another sample to weigh in.
Personally, I don't totally disagree that a JVC throws as good or better pic than a CRT. The digitals win in a lot of areas, but CRT still is better in motion resolution and on/off cr. Until I see the tests, I won't believe your opinion that the Sony or any other digital has equaled CRT in motion.
The claim that the Sony is the best projector available is also subject to opinion. I prefer 3 chip dlp over LCOS. You can say the Sony is better than any 3 chip, but that is your opinion. Several years ago, I listened to a projector engineer rant on all of the problems with LCOS in general and Sony's previous 4k in particular. I don't remember all of the problems he stated, but I doubt Sony solved them all if any.
Finally, the the benefit of 4k upscaled is fill factor and smoothness of image. Saying upscaled 1080p to 4k produces a superior image is opinion. I have heard both sides of the argument and I lean towards the no benefit side. |
Have you tested a good 3 chip DLP against the Sony VW1000?? Diddern an I have and the Sim2 Lumis 3DS lost the test by a big margin in 2D, the Sony was better in almost every aspect that makes up a good picture. In 3D the Lumis was better but not by a big margin. The problem with DLP is that there has been no development by Texas Instruments sice 2007 so the DLP projectors have stagnated, same with CRT.
And when you say that several years ago a projector engineer spoke about all the problems with LCOS and particularly Sonys 4K model, what company did this engineer work for? Definatly not a LCOS company. There is no perfect tech for projectors and LCD, LCOS, DLP and CRT all has its flaws, there is no such thing as a perfect projector. The last years Sony har developed SXRD to be the leading tech in HT projectors and many people regard it as best right now and the VW1000 is the best HT projector right now.
And when you say there is no benefit of 4K upscaling of 1080p it is clear that you have not seen it with your own eyes, there is a clear benefit, but of course the VW1000 has so many good sides and it is difficult to say how big an impact only the 4K upscaling has. But it is a clear benefit without a doubt.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | Screenshots will be posted by Diddern as the owner of this Barco is also a friend og his.
I also think this 3.5Ghz is a big joke and all the CRT mods to, and I think you are wrong that ansicontrast can be lost thru the video chain. Ansicontrast is one of the biggest disadvantages a CRT has against a good digital, a good CRT measures about 100:1 and a good digital 6-700:1 and if you combine this with high on/off contrast like the VW1000 has you get a very dynamic and 3 dimentional picture a CRT can only dream about. Combined with the sharpness and brightness this is a killer combination. |
You can measure a ansi contrast on a normal ansi pattern, there a CRT will do better than 1:1 pixel resolution so actualy the ansi contrast is even worse on high resolution content than you measure.
But if you have the bandwidth to resolve the high resolution you also improve the contrast.
Then there is the noise on crt, and removing that also improves contrast, last you can mask the parts of the tubes not used for 16:9 screens, this will remove a lot of reflections in the chambers and lenses, also improves ansi contrast.. All stuff that wont be there on a standard machine.
So the performance you have seen might not have mutch to do with whats possible to do with a CRT..
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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stridsvognen, I will post a photo as soon as I get it on https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=34871.html
Since it do not belong in this topic. Wait and see, personally I think its better than yours Since he got 3.5Ghz mod card the only one for test. I'm just as interested as you. But I could be wrong.
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