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Diddern
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | Guys... Its all about the tubes... Not the lamps..
Eisemann-Theater Simulation Grade Tubes better than VW1000ES
Just wait and see.. Soon we wil see Greg prove it, and blow all competition off the market.. CRT is back..  |
lol hehe jepp 
This is Mister big G`s original post :We just completed a customers CRT with our new mods and Simulation grade CRT tubes. The user had a shot out war with a new Sony VW1000ES """ That I did hehe"""
The Barco Cine 9 won with new simulation tubes and mods! """JEEH RIGHT ""
He mean not just tubes hehe. Bigger chance to win in the lottery I think:)
The truth is that the owner feel that his original 808 with HDMI card form MR Big G is better than the total modded.
And I cant wait to see this EXPENSIVE 808:) believe me hehe.
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stridsvognen
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While we wait for Greg, and there is so much talk about ansi contrast, i was wondering.
What is the highest real world ansi contrast.. what you and i can see when we walk around.?
I cant think of anything i ever experienced that is totaly black and white, as soon as there is just a bit of light in a room, or outside for that matter, nothing around it is black.
How high ansi contrast do we need on our projectors to reproduce real world content / most realistic reproduction.?
Im quite sure that the camera used must have something to say to, and are some movies mastered with some sort of ansi contrast manipulation, to compensate for the bad contrast on most projectors and screens.? a bit like music is compressed to play in ear plugs.?
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Diddern
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | While we wait for Greg, and there is so much talk about ansi contrast, i was wondering.
What is the highest real world ansi contrast.. what you and i can see when we walk around.?
I cant think of anything i ever experienced that is totaly black and white, as soon as there is just a bit of light in a room, or outside for that matter, nothing around it is black.
How high ansi contrast do we need on our projectors to reproduce real world content / most realistic reproduction.?
Im quite sure that the camera used must have something to say to, and are some movies mastered with some sort of ansi contrast manipulation, to compensate for the bad contrast on most projectors and screens.? a bit like music is compressed to play in ear plugs.? |
I have heard that a human eye can catch ansi contrast up to 1000:1 in real life. not Shure.....
I cant think of anything i ever experienced that is totally black and white, as soon as there is just a bit of light in a room, or outside for that matter, nothing around it is black. There true....... That's what I wanted to hear.
ansi contrast just the PJ ability in engine to defer Black from white. A combination with ON OFF contrast and Ansi Contrast brings out more dynamic in picture. So if one PJ have high ON OFF and low ansi contrast you get a more poor picture and the other way around. Many here is so on the ON OFF contrast like you say """ i ever experienced that is totally black and white, as soon as there is just a bit of light in a room, or outside for that matter, nothing around it is black.""" Do you then want to watch a total black picture when its just some info?
"""How high ansi contrast do we need on our projectors to reproduce real world content / most realistic reproduction.? """
I do not know, but after the vw1000 around 500-600:1 and extremely high on off up to 1000000:1with iris its more than perfect.
But still on the hw50 the ansi contrast is around 450:1 and ON OFF 7000:1 still beats allot of PJ today in higher much price range.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:09 am Post subject: |
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I know what the contrast do to the projector, i was more interested in how it compare to real life experience, like how much contrast on off ansi, will i need to reproduce a look out the window.
Often i find myself thinking that a movie/ scene looks over sharp, over done contrast and colors, even its a perfect calibrated projector.
I also know that its good to have some headroom so that the projector/ screen have a higher ansi contrast than needet.
But is the high ansi contrast content we are looking not manipulated/ mastered, so it no more looks realistic.?
I totaly agree that ansi contrast on most CRT projectors sucks big time, and will not be able to keep any decent ansi contrast if you look from pixel to pixel.
But it can be improved if the projector get a bandwidth that resolves the signal well, and if the non used tube face is masked for less light polution of the image.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | I know what the contrast do to the projector, i was more interested in how it compare to real life experience, like how much contrast on off ansi, will i need to reproduce a look out the window.
Often i find myself thinking that a movie/ scene looks over sharp, over done contrast and colors, even its a perfect calibrated projector.
I also know that its good to have some headroom so that the projector/ screen have a higher ansi contrast than needet.
But is the high ansi contrast content we are looking not manipulated/ mastered, so it no more looks realistic.?
I totaly agree that ansi contrast on most CRT projectors sucks big time, and will not be able to keep any decent ansi contrast if you look from pixel to pixel.
But it can be improved if the projector get a bandwidth that resolves the signal well, and if the non used tube face is masked for less light polution of the image. |
I do not think that a PJ comes to that level like real life, but who knows
But is the high ansi contrast content we are looking not manipulated/ mastered, so it no more looks realistic.?
I do not see that when I watch movie or picture, I will say more closer to real, but still far.
But is the high ansi contrast content we are looking not manipulated/ mastered, so it no more looks realistic.?
You get closer to what the filmmaker wanted the picture to be shown and YES looks realistic.
But it can be improved if the projector get a bandwidth that resolves the signal well, and if the non used tube face is masked for less light pollution of the image.
Yes can be improved, but how much. I will see it on the 808 from 700MH org. to 3,5GH modded should be better But I have big doubt that it will beat a JVC with 200-300:1 and even a cine9
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stridsvognen
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3.5Ghz sounds like bs. spec, completly out of this world.. the realy easy thing to do is to display the 1:1 pattern and see if its fully resolved or not.. greg must have tested that when working on those mods, and that has nothing to do with the tubes.
Like Mike do, he must have a reference pattern generator he can post some shots from.
I have the high ansi contrast JVC without eshift, and i know the difference, and i actualy think i have more details on my Marquee, not that they are not on the JVC, they are just more natural on the CRT, i also see that when getting to the bright scenes i have better ansi on the JVC, but its not enough to compensate for what else im missing, even with a native 70000:1 on off, it just sucks at low to mid level images.
Cant emagine the ones with less on off and less ansi contrast being more exiting. Dont misunderstand me.. its a fine projector for animated movies and gaming, those 500 hours the lamp lasts if its calibrated often, and pre heated a few hours before using it.
And sure it will do better than any Barco CRT ever made.. no doubt about that..
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HogPilot
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | You get closer to what the filmmaker wanted the picture to be shown and YES looks realistic. |
+1 - I think this gets forgotten sometimes because we have access to material that is very realistic (especially with 4K on the horizon). The goal of any display should be fidelity - in other words, reproduce the material as faithfully to the source as possible. Reality is only a goal when it's the director's goal.
This isn't to say that we shouldn't desire a 16K display with infinite on/off and ANSI, perfect greyscale, gamma, and gamut, that is capable of reproducing every color we can perceive. Such a display would be great because it would give a director a far wider palate with which to be creative while masking from everyone the fact that we're looking at the display - in other words, the display would become a window (rather than a medium) through which we view whatever experience the director intends. If the director's desired look is still an "overly sharp" or overly saturated/tinted one, then that's what the display should reproduce.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | I know what the contrast do to the projector, i was more interested in how it compare to real life experience, like how much contrast on off ansi, will i need to reproduce a look out the window.
Often i find myself thinking that a movie/ scene looks over sharp, over done contrast and colors, even its a perfect calibrated projector.
I also know that its good to have some headroom so that the projector/ screen have a higher ansi contrast than needet.
But is the high ansi contrast content we are looking not manipulated/ mastered, so it no more looks realistic.?
I totaly agree that ansi contrast on most CRT projectors sucks big time, and will not be able to keep any decent ansi contrast if you look from pixel to pixel.
But it can be improved if the projector get a bandwidth that resolves the signal well, and if the non used tube face is masked for less light polution of the image. |
One more to this my friend ansicontrast is not measured pixel to pixel it's a spesialy designed pattern with specific size black and white. I still wayting for a picture that is over sharp have not seen it yet.What I think the that you try to make your PJ sharper and forget that things like sharpness must be used together with a pattern.
Adjust the sharpness so you don't get blur around the horizontal and diagonal lines.
But on CRT this will not be the biggest problem because it's to soft. Like much out of fokus on a digital.
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Diddern
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| HogPilot wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | You get closer to what the filmmaker wanted the picture to be shown and YES looks realistic. |
+1 - I think this gets forgotten sometimes because we have access to material that is very realistic (especially with 4K on the horizon). The goal of any display should be fidelity - in other words, reproduce the material as faithfully to the source as possible. Reality is only a goal when it's the director's goal.
This isn't to say that we shouldn't desire a 16K display with infinite on/off and ANSI, perfect greyscale, gamma, and gamut, that is capable of reproducing every color we can perceive. Such a display would be great because it would give a director a far wider palate with which to be creative while masking from everyone the fact that we're looking at the display - in other words, the display would become a window (rather than a medium) through which we view whatever experience the director intends. If the director's desired look is still an "overly sharp" or overly saturated/tinted one, then that's what the display should reproduce. |
Wow you should get a Sony vw1000 you get everything you ask for. hehe
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | I know what the contrast do to the projector, i was more interested in how it compare to real life experience, like how much contrast on off ansi, will i need to reproduce a look out the window.
Often i find myself thinking that a movie/ scene looks over sharp, over done contrast and colors, even its a perfect calibrated projector.
I also know that its good to have some headroom so that the projector/ screen have a higher ansi contrast than needet.
But is the high ansi contrast content we are looking not manipulated/ mastered, so it no more looks realistic.?
I totaly agree that ansi contrast on most CRT projectors sucks big time, and will not be able to keep any decent ansi contrast if you look from pixel to pixel.
But it can be improved if the projector get a bandwidth that resolves the signal well, and if the non used tube face is masked for less light polution of the image. |
One more to this my friend ansicontrast is not measured pixel to pixel it's a spesialy designed pattern with specific size black and white. I still wayting for a picture that is over sharp have not seen it yet.What I think the that you try to make your PJ sharper and forget that things like sharpness must be used together with a pattern.
Adjust the sharpness so you don't get blur around the horizontal and diagonal lines.
But on CRT this will not be the biggest problem because it's to soft. Like much out of fokus on a digital. |
dont worry im Always turning sharpness off and other stuf that messes up the signal.
I know how ansi contrast is measured, and that way will not give a result very usefull for CRT ansi contrast..
If the bandwidth is to low you will have a very slow response to the signal, and the fine details will never reach the right level, and thats to me real ansi contrast.. the pattern is just a measure pattern, and not something i enjoy looking at all night.
Test patterns are ok.. But its movie content who counts..
What it helps if you can calibrate everything perfect with test patterns, but it will never hit the right color or level when looking a movie.. i think thats a part of the thing most CRT lovers prefer.. the non dynamic image, with soft edges.
Thats why you need to test if the CRT you uses for shootout can resolve 1080P before it will make any sense to test it against the digital, if not it will not make anything perfect.. Just fit someones preference..
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I think you guys are getting upset that I am saying your biased. We are all biased towards whatever we own. The difference is that you two spent $20k on your pj whereas I spent a fraction of that. If someone bashes the G90, then I don't really care much. Basically I am saying that the biased can be minimized, but you two are much more monetarily invested in your Sony, which can make you much more defensive regarding the pj.
Now, on to the rest of the post. I am fully aware of ANSI cr, on/off cr, motion, resolution, etc. and how those parameters effect image quality. You guys may want to read Darin's informative article on the subject.
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_2/feature-article-contrast-ratio-5-2006-part-1.html
I find it interesting that one review measurement is ok and another isn't. Cine4home measures gets one reading and Norton gets another. I am curious how Ekkhart does his measurements. Also, I haven't seen an actual measurement of ANSI cr on the Sony. Thomas uses the Minolta and takes the reading off of the pj not the screen. I guess it would be nice if Greg Rogers would come out of retirement and do a review.
Is ANSI more important than on/off cr or vice versa? While both would be great, I prefer high on/off cr for most media. For something like sports, high ANSI can really shine. In that case, nothing beats a DLP especially the high end models.
Have I seen these projectors? Yes I have. Admittedly I have only seen the demo of the Sony. I was going to try to stop by Bill Miller's place in San Fran, but I didn't get the chance. To me, the demo was impressive but I didn't go into shock (Crabb, would you have given me mouth to mouth?  ). The DI didn't show any noticeably pumping, but the demo wasn't hours long. As you say, Sony is the best in the business with their DIs, so it should be outstanding. 4k native and upscaled didn't really wow me unlike native 4k on the cinema JVC. It was a little better when I got closer, but I don't sit close. I thought the best thing about the Sony was performance for the price.
Do I hate the Sony? No, I don't. If it was $5k, then I would be interested in buying it. Two years ago, Bill Miller (millerwill at AVS) asked me if he should buy the Sony or the JVC. I told him if he bought the Sony then he would be done pj buying for a couple of years. If he likes the thrill of new tech every year, then I said he should go with the JVC and stay on the upgrade cycle. He bought the Sony with a lot of cajoling from Mark Haflich and hasn't looked back.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | I know what the contrast do to the projector, i was more interested in how it compare to real life experience, like how much contrast on off ansi, will i need to reproduce a look out the window.
Often i find myself thinking that a movie/ scene looks over sharp, over done contrast and colors, even its a perfect calibrated projector.
I also know that its good to have some headroom so that the projector/ screen have a higher ansi contrast than needet.
But is the high ansi contrast content we are looking not manipulated/ mastered, so it no more looks realistic.?
I totaly agree that ansi contrast on most CRT projectors sucks big time, and will not be able to keep any decent ansi contrast if you look from pixel to pixel.
But it can be improved if the projector get a bandwidth that resolves the signal well, and if the non used tube face is masked for less light polution of the image. |
One more to this my friend ansicontrast is not measured pixel to pixel it's a spesialy designed pattern with specific size black and white. I still wayting for a picture that is over sharp have not seen it yet.What I think the that you try to make your PJ sharper and forget that things like sharpness must be used together with a pattern.
Adjust the sharpness so you don't get blur around the horizontal and diagonal lines.
But on CRT this will not be the biggest problem because it's to soft. Like much out of fokus on a digital. |
dont worry im Always turning sharpness off and other stuf that messes up the signal.
I know how ansi contrast is measured, and that way will not give a result very usefull for CRT ansi contrast..
If the bandwidth is to low you will have a very slow response to the signal, and the fine details will never reach the right level, and thats to me real ansi contrast.. the pattern is just a measure pattern, and not something i enjoy looking at all night.
Test patterns are ok.. But its movie content who counts..
What it helps if you can calibrate everything perfect with test patterns, but it will never hit the right color or level when looking a movie.. i think thats a part of the thing most CRT lovers prefer.. the non dynamic image, with soft edges.
Thats why you need to test if the CRT you uses for shootout can resolve 1080P before it will make any sense to test it against the digital, if not it will not make anything perfect.. Just fit someones preference.. |
About 1080p you are right on CRT one thing is manage to get a picture and another is to resolve the 1080p resolution.
And the tubes need to be sertified to 1080P most tubes are not.
It's clear that you have not seen the vw1000 in correct enviremet you are welcome to my cinema.😉
You mean that when it's wrong you like it hehe when you calibrate you get as close to correct "recommend rec709"
Then if something is over saturated it will show it.....under saturated it will show it......
The closest you get today by showing details as correct as possible in all the PJ I have seen is the vw1000.
And again bandwidth on digital hi end, do not see the problem. But a CRT issue.
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| Diddern wrote: | | HogPilot wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | You get closer to what the filmmaker wanted the picture to be shown and YES looks realistic. |
+1 - I think this gets forgotten sometimes because we have access to material that is very realistic (especially with 4K on the horizon). The goal of any display should be fidelity - in other words, reproduce the material as faithfully to the source as possible. Reality is only a goal when it's the director's goal.
This isn't to say that we shouldn't desire a 16K display with infinite on/off and ANSI, perfect greyscale, gamma, and gamut, that is capable of reproducing every color we can perceive. Such a display would be great because it would give a director a far wider palate with which to be creative while masking from everyone the fact that we're looking at the display - in other words, the display would become a window (rather than a medium) through which we view whatever experience the director intends. If the director's desired look is still an "overly sharp" or overly saturated/tinted one, then that's what the display should reproduce. |
Wow you should get a Sony vw1000 you get everything you ask for. hehe |
Believe me, when a new-in-box VW1000 just sold on eBay for just under $10K, I was almost kicking myself for not jumping on it. But that kind of cash isn't in the cards for me right now, so I'm willing to wait for the whole 4K thing to settle down before I jump into it. I certainly envy the early adopters like you who get to enjoy it years before anyone else!
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | I think you guys are getting upset that I am saying your biased. We are all biased towards whatever we own. The difference is that you two spent $20k on your pj whereas I spent a fraction of that. If someone bashes the G90, then I don't really care much. Basically I am saying that the biased can be minimized, but you two are much more monetarily invested in your Sony, which can make you much more defensive regarding the pj.
Now, on to the rest of the post. I am fully aware of ANSI cr, on/off cr, motion, resolution, etc. and how those parameters effect image quality. You guys may want to read Darin's informative article on the subject.
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_2/feature-article-contrast-ratio-5-2006-part-1.html
I find it interesting that one review measurement is ok and another isn't. Cine4home measures gets one reading and Norton gets another. I am curious how Ekkhart does his measurements. Also, I haven't seen an actual measurement of ANSI cr on the Sony. Thomas uses the Minolta and takes the reading off of the pj not the screen. I guess it would be nice if Greg Rogers would come out of retirement and do a review.
Is ANSI more important than on/off cr or vice versa? While both would be great, I prefer high on/off cr for most media. For something like sports, high ANSI can really shine. In that case, nothing beats a DLP especially the high end models.
Have I seen these projectors? Yes I have. Admittedly I have only seen the demo of the Sony. I was going to try to stop by Bill Miller's place in San Fran, but I didn't get the chance. To me, the demo was impressive but I didn't go into shock (Crabb, would you have given me mouth to mouth? ). The DI didn't show any noticeably pumping, but the demo wasn't hours long. As you say, Sony is the best in the business with their DIs, so it should be outstanding. 4k native and upscaled didn't really wow me unlike native 4k on the cinema JVC. It was a little better when I got closer, but I don't sit close. I thought the best thing about the Sony was performance for the price.
Do I hate the Sony? No, I don't. If it was $5k, then I would be interested in buying it. Two years ago, Bill Miller (millerwill at AVS) asked me if he should buy the Sony or the JVC. I told him if he bought the Sony then he would be done pj buying for a couple of years. If he likes the thrill of new tech every year, then I said he should go with the JVC and stay on the upgrade cycle. He bought the Sony with a lot of cajoling from Mark Haflich and hasn't looked back. |
You have seen......I own. Why not listen to me?
I test projectors just for own interest what I want. I have also seen demos for 10 min at IFA.
It's just fun and give you nada
testers just test and you don't know if one is a fanboy.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Wow you should get a Sony vw1000 you get everything you ask for. hehe[/quote]
Believe me, when a new-in-box VW1000 just sold on eBay for just under $10K, I was almost kicking myself for not jumping on it. But that kind of cash isn't in the cards for me right now, so I'm willing to wait for the whole 4K thing to settle down before I jump into it. I certainly envy the early adopters like you who get to enjoy it years before anyone else![/quote]
I understand that and a Jvc epson Sony marquee, Barco and so on does the job.
But right now there is nothing even close to a vw1000 In total quality for home cinema, that is my point then right now....
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I can't wait to pick one up in 8 years on eBay for $150 bucks 
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | I can't wait to pick one up in 8 years on eBay for $150 bucks |
And finally a comedian hehe we find that out.
You get CRT for less than that😉
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| Diddern wrote: |
You have seen......I own. Why not listen to me?
I test projectors just for own interest what I want. I have also seen demos for 10 min at IFA.
It's just fun and give you nada
testers just test and you don't know if one is a fanboy. |
Well, I don't know Thomas Norton personally, but I do know Kris Deering and his technical knowledge of video is much greater than mine. Can he be influenced? Yes, but being a reviewer isn't his full time job, so I would say it is less likely. He had a Marantz DLP before moving to the JVC, so he is pretty much agnostic regarding the display engines.
In the end, you are right. I am going to listen to you. You only buy the best, so the Sony must be the best pj going right now. I will add one thing and that it was Kris who walked out of the original demo with a laundry list of problems he saw with the 1000. Some of those were source related and the head Sony guy (who knew Kris) admitted and apologized for the problems. I have no idea if Kris has spent any extended time with the Sony since then.
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Diddern
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | Diddern wrote: |
You have seen......I own. Why not listen to me?
I test projectors just for own interest what I want. I have also seen demos for 10 min at IFA.
It's just fun and give you nada
testers just test and you don't know if one is a fanboy. |
Well, I don't know Thomas Norton personally, but I do know Kris Deering and his technical knowledge of video is much greater than mine. Can he be influenced? Yes, but being a reviewer isn't his full time job, so I would say it is less likely. He had a Marantz DLP before moving to the JVC, so he is pretty much agnostic regarding the display engines.
In the end, you are right. I am going to listen to you. You only buy the best, so the Sony must be the best pj going right now. I will add one thing and that it was Kris who walked out of the original demo with a laundry list of problems he saw with the 1000. Some of those were source related and the head Sony guy (who knew Kris) admitted and apologized for the problems. I have no idea if Kris has spent any extended time with the Sony since then. |
Thanks trusting me, I promises if I see something better even from a crt, in my live, I be the first to admit it. I hunt for the best picture for home use in my cinema, expensive hobby!!!
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | I can't wait to pick one up in 8 years on eBay for $150 bucks |
I know you're just joking, but good luck with that. It's mostly the really old non-16:9 stuff like the JVC you bought that's $150 or less. Take a look at what used JVC RS1's go for on ebay... Usually about $600-700. For a 6-year old machine. Year-newer RS-2's are $800-900. I'd guess it will take well in excess of 10 years for a VW1000 to drop below a grand. You won't be buying one for $150 for a looooooong time - unless it was bounced off the floor.
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