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macgyver655
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I can assure you I have been testing different projectors for years now and I know what I am doing and CRT has never been in my interest until some guys a couple of years ago said a good CRT blows any digital away when it comes to imagequality.
When I compare projectors I donīt use screenshots, I compare them side by side so you can clearly and under the right circumstances see the differences. And I have seen a couple of correctly set up CRTīs (including a Barco 909) side by side with a Sony VW1000 and a JVC X500 and the CRT has nothing it can show compared to these digitals other than showing 0 IRE and motionresolution.
So there is a golden nickle for you! LOL |
And here is part of your problem to begin with. Your own claim is you have no experience with CRT. So you have no idea of what you are doing with one.
And you have been testing for years and I have been repairing and testing for decades. So since you brought it up and think that time is knowledge then my opinion trumps yours and I say you are full of sh*t. 
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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It is the same and we entertain them because it is fun making a pair of dick wads look like a pair of dick wads, lol.
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macgyver655
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You know, like when 1 dick wad claims a screenshot is not what it is because it has pixels and the second disk wad agrees when it is a digital screen shot to begin with.
You can't get better comedy then that without some nudging. 
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Andreas21
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| CSX wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | 9 inch CRT = soft ?!
No way if you set it up right.
The lens can do 12 lines/mm ! |
Yes, but can it show 1080p at nearly 100% MTF?? |
And I am quoting myself here since none of you guys have answered my question... |
A "nearly 100% MTF" as you put it, isn't desirable to everyone.
There is such a thing as "too sharp" you know.
Why you are asking about MTF is beyond me. It just seems like you are scraping the bottom of a barrel looking at ways to point fingers further, and throw more mud.
I may not have had my account for long here, but the tension you and Diddern have been creating against CRT owners, with your almighty digital hailing is pretty unnerving, and almost enough to get me to stop paying attention to most of the discussion here.
I do not want to do such things. I'd just like justification for your shenanigans. |
I am not the one who started this tread.
What is too sharp? To me there is nothing more sharp than my eyesight and as long as there is not added sharpness like edge enhancement and it looks natural like when I see real things with my own eyes in real life. To mee a digital is more like what I see in real life and a CRT is very soft compared and as long as the digital does not add sharpness it is better. But there is a lot more to a good picture than sharpness and the old CRT tech is falling behing in every aspect.
When we will see a 2 or 6 chip DLP or any other digital tech we will see native on/off contrast up in 4000000:1 + without any DI and with HDR then the digitals will ad another step on CRT and I am sorry to say, but the CRT days are numbered a long time ago.
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macgyver655
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[quote="Diddern"] | Andreas21 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | 9 inch CRT = soft ?!
No way if you set it up right.
The lens can do 12 lines/mm ! |
Yes, but can it show 1080p at nearly 100% MTF?? |
And I am quoting myself here since none of you guys have answered my question...[/quote
Answer FAAAAAAR from
Here is some fact
This is because of the way Crt show the picture then in all progressive modes 720P, 1080P
A Crt is made with lines and then for interlaced material back then.
And a Crt will not manage MTF like a progressive machine today then 1080P or 4K.
A Crt does not even show MTF in 720P perfect and not in 480P.
Then because of the scan lines and not pixels.
And this is one part why picture gets soft with today's change to pixels or long time ago 😉
MTF on a 909 cine9 About 30-50%MTF of 1080P |
Are you crying again? I guess you need something to take your mind off of things.
I have a task for you. Count now many pixels are in this post. i will await your reply.
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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I am not the one who started this tread.
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No you are not. But you and your baby boy found a need to get involved and provoke the members here. So now you have to deal with it.
And don't start crying like your little boy there. Please!
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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What is too sharp? To me there is nothing more sharp than my eyesight and as long as there is not added sharpness like edge enhancement and it looks natural like when I see real things with my own eyes in real life. To mee a digital is more like what I see in real life and a CRT is very soft compared and as long as the digital does not add sharpness it is better.
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Yeah, bla bla bla bla. You 2 have been singing this tune for how long now and we keep telling you we do not care what you have to say.
Well that plus your full of sh*t!
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Andreas21
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? | macgyver655 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
I can assure you I have been testing different projectors for years now and I know what I am doing and CRT has never been in my interest until some guys a couple of years ago said a good CRT blows any digital away when it comes to imagequality.
When I compare projectors I donīt use screenshots, I compare them side by side so you can clearly and under the right circumstances see the differences. And I have seen a couple of correctly set up CRTīs (including a Barco 909) side by side with a Sony VW1000 and a JVC X500 and the CRT has nothing it can show compared to these digitals other than showing 0 IRE and motionresolution.
So there is a golden nickle for you! LOL |
And here is part of your problem to begin with. Your own claim is you have no experience with CRT. So you have no idea of what you are doing with one.
And you have been testing for years and I have been repairing and testing for decades. So since you brought it up and think that time is knowledge then my opinion trumps yours and I say you are full of sh*t. |
It was not me who set up the CRT it was the CRT gurus who claimed it could blow any digital away! 
And the way you speak to me I find very immature and you loose all your credibility with your behavior.
And since you have been doing this for decades makes you a good judge. Have you ever tested a VW1100 or JVC X500/700/900 against a top CRT? And when I say years it does not mean only a few years, but over a decade Testing that a projector works fine is not the same as testing side by side to show the differences.
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ElTopo
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A Cine 9 with 30-50% MTF ?
Wow you never setuped one correctly.
And what values are those ? Is this just a guess ?
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Nashou66
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ElTopo wrote: | A Cine 9 with 30-50% MTF ?
Wow you never setuped one correctly.
And what values are those ? Is this just a guess ? |
Check it out. Fact. Then at 1080P
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CSX
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | CSX wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | 9 inch CRT = soft ?!
No way if you set it up right.
The lens can do 12 lines/mm ! |
Yes, but can it show 1080p at nearly 100% MTF?? |
And I am quoting myself here since none of you guys have answered my question... |
A "nearly 100% MTF" as you put it, isn't desirable to everyone.
There is such a thing as "too sharp" you know.
Why you are asking about MTF is beyond me. It just seems like you are scraping the bottom of a barrel looking at ways to point fingers further, and throw more mud.
I may not have had my account for long here, but the tension you and Diddern have been creating against CRT owners, with your almighty digital hailing is pretty unnerving, and almost enough to get me to stop paying attention to most of the discussion here.
I do not want to do such things. I'd just like justification for your shenanigans. |
I am not the one who started this tread.
What is too sharp? To me there is nothing more sharp than my eyesight and as long as there is not added sharpness like edge enhancement and it looks natural like when I see real things with my own eyes in real life. To mee a digital is more like what I see in real life and a CRT is very soft compared and as long as the digital does not add sharpness it is better. But there is a lot more to a good picture than sharpness and the old CRT tech is falling behing in every aspect.
When we will see a 2 or 6 chip DLP or any other digital tech we will see native on/off contrast up in 4000000:1 + without any DI and with HDR then the digitals will ad another step on CRT and I am sorry to say, but the CRT days are numbered a long time ago. |
You may not be, but you certainly prattle on like you have something to prove, or some striking revelations that will make CRT owners ditch all their systems and go digital immediately.
Too sharp is too sharp. Do you really want to see jagged edges or nice smooth lines?
CRT is obviously a preference, and has some really great pros, that do hold true.
I'm a CRT owner as of 2015. That's this year. If it wasn't doing something right, it couldn't possibly be attractive to new owners. I'm not in this for nostalgia.
I picked up CRT because I hate my digital screens, I hate my UHD samsung, I'm not interested in digital anything until they can pony up non irritating results.
As for "days numbered" this statement has been sung for years, and one day, perhaps, but they will have to work hard to do so. Rainbow effects, poor contrasts and other annoyances plague these machines, and they don't really hit a film / crt type of supporting visual.
I can no longer go to regular cinemas around here due to the extent of dlp systems used, and I can detect image flaws and rainbows everywhere....
Your ambivalence throughout this discussion has paved your own way for me to disregard what you have to say, and even consider it as serious / educated.
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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And the way you speak to me I find very immature
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I find that it is the only way that people who are full of sh*t understand.
If you do not like it you are welcome to leave at any time and take your baby boy with you.
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | A Cine 9 with 30-50% MTF ?
Wow you never setuped one correctly.
And what values are those ? Is this just a guess ? |
Check it out. Fact. Then at 1080P |
Your "fact" is worth nothing more then a pile of sh*t.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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It is the same and we entertain them because it is fun making a pair of dick wads look like a pair of dick wads, lol. |
Lol
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Diddern
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | A Cine 9 with 30-50% MTF ?
Wow you never setuped one correctly.
And what values are those ? Is this just a guess ? |
Check it out. Fact. Then at 1080P |
Your "fact" is worth nothing more then a pile of sh*t. |
Like a pile of sh*t or not still the fact lol
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: |
It is the same and we entertain them because it is fun making a pair of dick wads look like a pair of dick wads, lol. |
Lol |
Holy crap. Something we both finally agree on.
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Andreas21
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
What is too sharp? To me there is nothing more sharp than my eyesight and as long as there is not added sharpness like edge enhancement and it looks natural like when I see real things with my own eyes in real life. To mee a digital is more like what I see in real life and a CRT is very soft compared and as long as the digital does not add sharpness it is better.
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Yeah, bla bla bla bla. You 2 have been singing this tune for how long now and we keep telling you we do not care what you have to say.
Well that plus your full of sh*t! |
I wonder who is full of sh*t with these kind of statements. You have not come up with anything constructive in this tread.
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Diddern
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: |
It is the same and we entertain them because it is fun making a pair of dick wads look like a pair of dick wads, lol. |
Lol |
Holy crap. Something we both finally agree on. |
Hehe this is projectors not world war hehe
lol
To much war in the world.
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Andreas21 wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: | | Andreas21 wrote: |
What is too sharp? To me there is nothing more sharp than my eyesight and as long as there is not added sharpness like edge enhancement and it looks natural like when I see real things with my own eyes in real life. To mee a digital is more like what I see in real life and a CRT is very soft compared and as long as the digital does not add sharpness it is better.
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Yeah, bla bla bla bla. You 2 have been singing this tune for how long now and we keep telling you we do not care what you have to say.
Well that plus your full of sh*t! |
I wonder who is full of sh*t with these kind of statements. You have not come up with anything constructive in this tread. |
I do not have to prove my credibility on here.
You, on the other hand............ well I think it is to late for that......
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