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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Your computer repair classes teacher probably doesn't know what I know about electricity and probably isn't an electrician.
It wont hurt anything to run through the UPS provided its running on mains, its when the UPS is running on batteries that the poor harsh damaging wave form is produced.
Try this as a test, get two UPSs, plug one into a battery backed outlet on the other, then shut of the power to the first one. They will BOTH start beeping to say mains is gone, and the reason for that is the non-sinusoidal wave form and inaccurate AC frequency. The control gear in the second UPS will not accept this as being suitable, and will ignore it, leaving it disconnected.
Why anyone would use a Thermaltake anything over an Antec is beyond me, one is cheap sh*t, the other is quite decent. The fan that is dead has nothing to do with UPS, it will be an electronically commutated fan motor, they take a DC input and convert it to an AC rotating magnetic field. |
I have tried that before and one ups went nuts so I didn't do it again
Glad to know about that now so I can better advise my computer costumers about one
Now as far as the fan goes its a antec that has went bad and I am having a time finding a replacment
What it is the power supply is in a server grade case that I am going to use for my next media machine bulid
I didn't know that fan was bad till I had the side off and the computer running (it would barely turn) I even removed it from the power supply and bench tested it and it did the same
What I want to know is did nmb make a fan the might work(like what's in my marquee) I want it to be slient as its going to be used in my theater room(movies, music and tv)
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Don't bother replacing it. Its not really worth the effort, especially if the power supply is bottom mounted in the case. If its top mounted you wont need it either, if youre that worried about it, just screw a 120mm case fan to the outside of the PSU and disconnect/remove the faulty fan.
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the big E
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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Don't bother replacing it. Its not really worth the effort, especially if the power supply is bottom mounted in the case. If its top mounted you wont need it either, if youre that worried about it, just screw a 120mm case fan to the outside of the PSU and disconnect/remove the faulty fan. |
Ok I will remove it as there is a smaller fan the pulls air out the power supply is in the top of the case if I decide to put another fan in its place it will be a 120mm but I doubt it as I have enough fans in the case as is(5 in the case and there are 2 in the power supply)one less isn't going to hurt it
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5 is f*** all!!  I used to have 16 case fans back in the day  Ive cut back in my old age though, only got 7 in there now.
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the big E
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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | 5 is f*** all!! I used to have 16 case fans back in the day Ive cut back in my old age though, only got 7 in there now. |
That's not including the video card fan or the cooling fan for the CPU but the case has room for one more but I don't think its needed
I may get another fan and put in there though as its in front of the hard drive cage there is only some many mounts for fans in the case but I have three at the most in my other media machine but they are 2 120MM fans and one 80MM in the power supply yet the case has a lot of air flow and dead silent when the CPU liquid cooling cooling fan doesn't ramp up to full throttle(rarely does)
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16 case fans is exactly that, the other items all had fans as well, but those dont count.
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the big E
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| Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | 16 case fans is exactly that, the other items all had fans as well, but those dont count. |
Dang that's a lot of fans for one case I have yet to have someone ask for one with that many and I do sell computers for gamers
I would like to see such a beast if you have pics
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| the big E wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | 16 case fans is exactly that, the other items all had fans as well, but those dont count. |
Dang that's a lot of fans for one case I have yet to have someone ask for one with that many and I do sell computers for gamers
I would like to see such a beast if you have pics |
My Win98 box had 32 fans
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| Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | the big E wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | 16 case fans is exactly that, the other items all had fans as well, but those dont count. |
Dang that's a lot of fans for one case I have yet to have someone ask for one with that many and I do sell computers for gamers
I would like to see such a beast if you have pics |
My Win98 box had 32 fans |
Holy crap here I have been getting by with so little amount of fans(yet having pretty good case temps) how do you guys make them quiet (if that's possible with that many fans)
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Was years ago mate, ive got the top end rig in an Antec Twelve Hundred case now. Im just about to go and collect my new parts to switch over to X79
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That was a Dual PIII 500 box with 1GB ram, tri-boot, Win98, WinNT 4 and Linux Redhat 5.3. It was my damfastgamingbox in 1999. NO it wasn't quiet, nor was it a small case. It was full tower with wheels. I tried to add 34 fans but the 350 watt PC Power and Cooling Power supply wouldn't start.
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | That was a Dual PIII 500 box with 1GB ram, tri-boot, Win98, WinNT 4 and Linux Redhat 5.3. It was my damfastgamingbox in 1999. NO it wasn't quiet, nor was it a small case. It was full tower with wheels. I tried to add 34 fans but the 350 watt PC Power and Cooling Power supply wouldn't start. |
I can see why to much draw causing the power supply to go into protect mode(never heard of one doing that till now)
My media machine would likely cream it as I built it for gaming(wasted potential)
Specs
2.90ghz amd Athlon x2 245 processor(can use higher end phenom processors)
3 gb ram(can use up to 16gb)
40gb ssd(super fast os disk)
2tb hard drive(storage)
Windows 7 64bit
Ati graphics(can't remember the model right now) with 1gb of VRAM
Liquid cooling on the processor
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| the big E wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | That was a Dual PIII 500 box with 1GB ram, tri-boot, Win98, WinNT 4 and Linux Redhat 5.3. It was my damfastgamingbox in 1999. NO it wasn't quiet, nor was it a small case. It was full tower with wheels. I tried to add 34 fans but the 350 watt PC Power and Cooling Power supply wouldn't start. |
I can see why to much draw causing the power supply to go into protect mode(never heard of one doing that till now)
My media machine would likely cream it as I built it for gaming(wasted potential)
Specs
2.90ghz amd Athlon x2 245 processor(can use higher end phenom processors)
3 gb ram(can use up to 16gb)
40gb ssd(super fast os disk)
2tb hard drive(storage)
Windows 7 64bit
Ati graphics(can't remember the model right now) with 1gb of VRAM
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Yeah, but think in 1999 terms and drop $7G's, just before Y2K. Then you have a very fast Win98 gaming box.
I also had a dual Celeron that was used as a server at the office. It boomeranged back to me in 2011 It was also top shelf in 1999. Here's a post about it:
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=26272.html
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | the big E wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | That was a Dual PIII 500 box with 1GB ram, tri-boot, Win98, WinNT 4 and Linux Redhat 5.3. It was my damfastgamingbox in 1999. NO it wasn't quiet, nor was it a small case. It was full tower with wheels. I tried to add 34 fans but the 350 watt PC Power and Cooling Power supply wouldn't start. |
I can see why to much draw causing the power supply to go into protect mode(never heard of one doing that till now)
My media machine would likely cream it as I built it for gaming(wasted potential)
Specs
2.90ghz amd Athlon x2 245 processor(can use higher end phenom processors)
3 gb ram(can use up to 16gb)
40gb ssd(super fast os disk)
2tb hard drive(storage)
Windows 7 64bit
Ati graphics(can't remember the model right now) with 1gb of VRAM
Liquid cooling on the processor |
Yeah, but think in 1999 terms and drop $7G's, just before Y2K. Then you have a very fast Win98 gaming box.
I also had a dual Celeron that was used as a server at the office. It boomeranged back to me in 2011 It was also top shelf in 1999. Here's a post about it:
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=26272.html |
I did it back when 95 was around but unfortantly the motherboard took a crap on me a few years back I had over clocked a 500mhz p2 to close to 800mhz but I had to be careful as it was a fanless heat sink had I had a fan type heat sink I could have hit higher clock speeds I also had the ram at cap (I had easy access to parts at the time as I was taking my computer repair classes)
Yes it was stable at that clock speed
Man how computers have changed over the years (but the os hasn't much)
Motherboards now control the clock speed by settings in the bios which used to be controlled via dip switches
I learned mostly on the older motherboards but have experience with the newer motherboards also though I liked the dip switches as I could power down the computer flip a dip switch then power it back up to see how it did I know you can do that with the new ones but it just don't feel the same
I still will service a older pc just because I have the knowledge that most pc techs now don't because like you ar I have been around the older machines more then the new ones
Heck I used a apple PowerBook 1400cs for almost a decade as I couldn't bear to get rid of it
I still have it even though I had a iBook g3, a PowerBook g4 and now a MacBook Pro over the years(the MacBook Pro is a 2010 model and my main computer) I kept the PowerBook to show people how apple built machines to last(it powered last time I used it but haven't used it in years)
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Those are all pussy computers.... I wouldnt even use that to shop online...
In my primary rig ive got an ASUS P9X79PRO with an i7 4820 and 32gigs of DDR3, GTX760 OC video card with 4gigs of DDR5...
Secondary and third(ary?) rigs are both simular LGA1366 i7 with 6gig DDR3, one is a 920 and the other is a 950, one has Geil 1333 RAM the other is OCZ 1866 XMP, one has GTX650 Ti OC 1 gig DDR5, the other is 9800GT 1 gig of whatever they had then...
Get that 3D Mark 11 out and get ready to bench Big E
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I still have my backup. A Compaq 486 DX2 50Mhz laptop. Use to surf the forum on it. It has Parallel port networking. Very cool!
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Those are all pussy computers.... I wouldnt even use that to shop online...
In my primary rig ive got an ASUS P9X79PRO with an i7 4820 and 32gigs of DDR3, GTX760 OC video card with 4gigs of DDR5...
Secondary and third(ary?) rigs are both simular LGA1366 i7 with 6gig DDR3, one is a 920 and the other is a 950, one has Geil 1333 RAM the other is OCZ 1866 XMP, one has GTX650 Ti OC 1 gig DDR5, the other is 9800GT 1 gig of whatever they had then...
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My gaming rig, the dual PIII got upgraded over the years. I dropped CRAZY money on that machine! I spent $21G's by the time I finished with it from Oct 1999 to Oct 2004.
It was fun to be in my 20's 
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Yeah it wasnt cheap back then, by 2002-03 the best gaming performance option was the Athlon Thoroughbred for the socket 462, followed up not long after by the Barton. I built alot of those using the SOLTEK Gold Flame nforce2 mobos, flogging all but the top end 800FSB Intels... The 533FSB never stood a chance... I had a Barton 3200 that i had running at 2.52GHz on air cooling, solid as a rock for years.... Still got a 2600 Thoroughbred here somewhere, dead caps killed it like all those kick arse SOLTEKs from that era...
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | Those are all pussy computers.... I wouldnt even use that to shop online...
In my primary rig ive got an ASUS P9X79PRO with an i7 4820 and 32gigs of DDR3, GTX760 OC video card with 4gigs of DDR5...
Secondary and third(ary?) rigs are both simular LGA1366 i7 with 6gig DDR3, one is a 920 and the other is a 950, one has Geil 1333 RAM the other is OCZ 1866 XMP, one has GTX650 Ti OC 1 gig DDR5, the other is 9800GT 1 gig of whatever they had then...
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Do I sense a challenge?(I love those )
Now the specs I listed of my media machine are minimum to what the motherboard can handle(had to due to budget at the time) but it can really be turned into a powerhouse if I wanted to but I ain't going to drop more into it as I am already in the works for my next build(FYI the main HD in my current machine is a solid state drive by intel)
Not sure if I will use a amd or intel processor this time (I have been eyeing those new intel processors) though I still have to plan it out how I want it(including what drives I want and storage space)
I already have the case for it(just have to get the rest)
This machine is going to get used for games(along with tv viewing) and will be used with my marquee(no wimpy LCD monitor for this one)in my theater room
I have a stock of hard drives, optical drives even floppy drives(should someone need one)
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Yeah it wasnt cheap back then, by 2002-03 the best gaming performance option was the Athlon Thoroughbred for the socket 462, followed up not long after by the Barton. I built alot of those using the SOLTEK Gold Flame nforce2 mobos, flogging all but the top end 800FSB Intels... The 533FSB never stood a chance... I had a Barton 3200 that i had running at 2.52GHz on air cooling, solid as a rock for years.... Still got a 2600 Thoroughbred here somewhere, dead caps killed it like all those kick arse SOLTEKs from that era... |
Ahhh yes the bad caps from the 2 dopes in Taiwan. Man those wrecked allot of PC's including my Celeron 300 OC'd to 503. I plugged it in one night and the power supply blew and took the whole dam thing with it. Lousy caps. The floppy drive was the sole survivor.
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