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the big E
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:23 am Post subject: nec 10 pg |
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ok for those who thought i was making it up that i have a nec 10 pg (case  here is the proof)
yes i did get the remote
thanks to doc hollywood(mike hanes) for letting me get at the great deal(now to get it working fully)
its doing this
red tube
green tube
blue tube
i know its not the connections its the gain board giving me this issue but at least i have two working tubes showing the video input(but not three  )
the bad thing is i am using a baord i got from curt(though usps damaged them in transit  thanks to a stupid idoit that DIDN'T read the fragile sticker on the side of the box)(this forum needs a bang head emoticon big time)
i would have had a working set had the boards not got damaged(though this board needs new caps as the picture goes crazy if i work the picture controls then the input fades to black but returns if i let it sit without touching it)
i don't have the time to do the repair work myself(which sucks)
sorry for the blurry tube pics the camera didn't like to focus on them when i took the pics(kinda surprised the blue tube pic turned out good as it did)the source was my ps3
ps neither projector was on or plugged in its the flash on my iPhones camera is why both projectors look like they are on
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:36 am Post subject: |
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That looks like a 6051 remote, although a RUNCO badged variant ( not that they changed anything apart from filing off the NEC logo and sticking a black plastic label on there )
The 6051 will work and mostly perfectly fine, but its not the correct remote for the 6-9-10PG PLAIN sets, and some of the buttons will not perform the function they are listed to do. Near as makes no difference though.
They chew AAs, so use top quality alkalines, no rechargables, ive had issues there probably due to the voltage not being quite high enough.
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the big E
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | That looks like a 6051 remote, although a RUNCO badged variant ( not that they changed anything apart from filing off the NEC logo and sticking a black plastic label on there )
The 6051 will work and mostly perfectly fine, but its not the correct remote for the 6-9-10PG PLAIN sets, and some of the buttons will not perform the function they are listed to do. Near as makes no difference though.
They chew AAs, so use top quality alkalines, no rechargables, ive had issues there probably due to the voltage not being quite high enough. |
Your correct it is a runco remote not a nec remote but it works the set fully(surprising I know) though I haven't used rechargeable batteries for anything of mine in years
Not sure how he had got a runco remote instead of a true nec remote its just a bit big for my liking  but I am used to a Logitech harmony remote(currently using with my setup) but I haven't programmed the remote to work my projector yet
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the big E
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Here is a pic of the remote
Its got the backlight(which I like)its just a bit bigger then I am used to but it works every aspect of the projector(which is good)
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gjaky
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | The 6051 will work and mostly perfectly fine, but its not the correct remote for the 6-9-10PG PLAIN sets, and some of the buttons will not perform the function they are listed to do. Near as makes no difference though. |
I think the 6051 is a bit annoying for a PG plain, it seems it gives you all the buttons you need but not, you can access all the geometry functions directly, but none of the convergence functions, so you only can access them through the menu system.. Note the extra column of keys on the RC6011 (original PG plain remote)
I use the other way, I have the RC6011 with the PG xtra.
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the big E
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| gjaky wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | The 6051 will work and mostly perfectly fine, but its not the correct remote for the 6-9-10PG PLAIN sets, and some of the buttons will not perform the function they are listed to do. Near as makes no difference though. |
I think the 6051 is a bit annoying for a PG plain, it seems it gives you all the buttons you need but not, you can access all the geometry functions directly, but none of the convergence functions, so you only can access them through the menu system.. Note the extra column of keys on the RC6011 (original PG plain remote)
I use the other way, I have the RC6011 with the PG xtra. |
I don't mind going through the menus to access the convergence menus(other then the static and point) though it would make setup a lot easier
The remote I have works everything on the set(suprizeingly)
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E,
I had a couple of remotes laying around from earlier PJs that came and went. Let me check to see if I have a 6011 somewhere. For some reason I think I have one more of the NEC set up remotes somewhere but I will try to find it and see if it's a 6011. I never even knew there was a difference really. However, it does seem like the 6011 would make set up easier.
I'll scrounge around later this week and get back to you.
Doc
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the big E
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| Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| dochlywd wrote: | E,
I had a couple of remotes laying around from earlier PJs that came and went. Let me check to see if I have a 6011 somewhere. For some reason I think I have one more of the NEC set up remotes somewhere but I will try to find it and see if it's a 6011. I never even knew there was a difference really. However, it does seem like the 6011 would make set up easier.
I'll scrounge around later this week and get back to you.
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Thanks man email me when you find it
Almost got the set back to running just have to get the gain board recapped
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Yes there is a difference, and its more a convenience than anything, its easy for me to say that though, cause i know where everything is and all the short cuts.
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the big E
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Yes there is a difference, and its more a convenience than anything, its easy for me to say that though, cause i know where everything is and all the short cuts. |
Smarty
When I am in the middle of a game and need to make a quick adjustment(if needed) it will help to have the extra button
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Not really, its 5 extra buttons, the one youll miss is NORMAL, not having that with make a couple things take abit longer, cause CTRL + NORMAL will ask you if you wish to reset all data under the given heading to mid point.
The PHASE button on your remote wont bring up phase, itll take you to TILT/SKEW under the CONVERGENCE heading.
The other missing buttons with just mean youll need to go into the CONVERGENCE menu items the long way, but it wont matter, and once you set an NEC properly, there should be no need to stop and do it again for a long time. Following the procedure and understanding what each menu item does is critical, and will make for very easy setup, as NEC has the most comprehensive convergence system available. With a POINT board installed, there is no reason the image wont be perfectly converged across the entire screen.
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gjaky
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Case, the NORMAL button works just fine on my my RC6011 with the PG xtra, it's just placed elsewhere.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Yeah mate youre right, but using a 6051 on a PLAIN PG the NORMAL button gets you PINCUSHION in the CONVERGENCE menu.
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gjaky
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That's interesting, pushing the convergence-pincushion button gets me noting on the xtra 
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No you can press CTRL + R or B to get there on an XTRA or XG from the ALIGNMENT menu.
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gjaky
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:58 am Post subject: |
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I knew that Case, but it is interesting that the "normal" button on the RC6051 it is located where the conv-pincushion button on the RC6011 and according to you it gets you that menu no matter which remote you have if you use it on PG plain. Now I have the PG xtra with the RC6011, and pushing the conv-pincushion should act as "normal", because that is what's there on the PG xtra's original remote RC6051, but does nothing for me, instead on the RC6011 the "normal" button is next to the store, that is blank on the RC6051, yet it is working for me.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:27 am Post subject: |
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System boards are different on all the models, which is why the remote commands are interpreted differently.
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gjaky
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Of course there must be an explanation for this, but I still feel this strange that thing working only in one direction.
Anyway I have here an other NEC remote that was made for some plasma monitors, and it has similar physical layout than the pj remotes, of course the button alignment is different and does not commanding the pj. I disassembled that other remote and saw that all the buttons are there, but they were left blind, even the PCD has the contact and they are connected too, so it would be fun to disassemble the RC6051 and check if the blind buttons give any other usable shortcuts for menus, and hope there is no self-destruction button amongst them
To disassemble unscrew the only screw at the back and snap apart.
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