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Diddern
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| ElTopo wrote: | Watched "After Earth" blu-ray on my Cine9 and have to say once again that this maschine is the absolute reference when it comes to picture quality.
Projectors i had in the past: BG801s, Barco 701, Barco Cine7, BG808, Barco Cine8, Marquee9500LC Ultra
Got also some impressions from actual projector line ups like JVC but none of these can compare.
BTW: movie was bad |
Also when you say that " JVC none of these can compare", you do not know what you're talking about.
Test one in the same room you have, then minimum a x55 and the newer models. Then it is very strange in my eyes to say even something like this. Again the CRT glasses hehe 
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ElTopo
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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I saw Tron (new release) on a JVC and it looks like a video game and not a film like movie picture.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ElTopo wrote: | | I saw Tron (new release) on a JVC and it looks like a video game and not a film like movie picture. |
Did you see it in your room? Video game look, wrong adjusted. I suspect right out of the box picture. Or on setting dynamic. Everything should be better except total darkness I know... Maybe you should stick to low resolution that looks more movie like picture.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | Watched "After Earth" blu-ray on my Cine9 and have to say once again that this maschine is the absolute reference when it comes to picture quality.
Projectors i had in the past: BG801s, Barco 701, Barco Cine7, BG808, Barco Cine8, Marquee9500LC Ultra
Got also some impressions from actual projector line ups like JVC but none of these can compare.
Have to see the Sony VW1000/1100 and the VW500......
BTW: movie was bad |
Its your preference.. the SONY G90 and the Marquee 9500LC both have better bandwidth performance from what i have seen.
So i wonder a bit what it is that the Barco 909 is douing right.? Its clearly not fine details and ansi contrast on fine details.
Can you describe a bit more about the differences, and what its douing better.. document it with some screenshots maybe.? |
In my appinion a cine9 is the best CRT ever made, but I have not seen them together in a side by side test.
And it depends how good you are with adjustments and picture adjustments.
But you can be right, not my aria. I like to see screenshot of the cine9 bandwidth, but I think that if a marquee should have a chance it have to be the Lc ultra verson.
But again have not seen them in the same room. |
My impression , from looking screen shots, and whats posted on this forum, make me think that the SONY G90 might be the best standard CRT option, Decent bandwidth, super focus, and good tubes and lenses.
Next ill guess is the Marquee with the best bandwidth performance, but the more dificoult focus,
Last ill put the Barco, with the worse bandwidth performans, that dont get saved by the good tubes and lenses, and focus system.
But the battle these days will be moddet machines.. There is still no proves of better bandwidth performance on the 909.
But there is clear evidence of super bandwidth performance mods on Marquee.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | Watched "After Earth" blu-ray on my Cine9 and have to say once again that this maschine is the absolute reference when it comes to picture quality.
Projectors i had in the past: BG801s, Barco 701, Barco Cine7, BG808, Barco Cine8, Marquee9500LC Ultra
Got also some impressions from actual projector line ups like JVC but none of these can compare.
Have to see the Sony VW1000/1100 and the VW500......
BTW: movie was bad |
Its your preference.. the SONY G90 and the Marquee 9500LC both have better bandwidth performance from what i have seen.
So i wonder a bit what it is that the Barco 909 is douing right.? Its clearly not fine details and ansi contrast on fine details.
Can you describe a bit more about the differences, and what its douing better.. document it with some screenshots maybe.? |
In my appinion a cine9 is the best CRT ever made, but I have not seen them together in a side by side test.
And it depends how good you are with adjustments and picture adjustments.
But you can be right, not my aria. I like to see screenshot of the cine9 bandwidth, but I think that if a marquee should have a chance it have to be the Lc ultra verson.
But again have not seen them in the same room. |
My impression , from looking screen shots, and whats posted on this forum, make me think that the SONY G90 might be the best standard CRT option, Decent bandwidth, super focus, and good tubes and lenses.
Next ill guess is the Marquee with the best bandwidth performance, but the more dificoult focus,
Last ill put the Barco, with the worse bandwidth performans, that dont get saved by the good tubes and lenses, and focus system.
But the battle these days will be moddet machines.. There is still no proves of better bandwidth performance on the 909.
But there is clear evidence of super bandwidth performance mods on Marquee. |
From screenshots you are right, I have not seen anything better than your Marquee yet on the screenshots on a CRT.
But screenshots are nothing worth with different camera, room and so on.
But gives a indication, but won`t put money on that a cine9 wont win in a side by side test with a marquee lc ultra
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ElTopo
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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I saw the JVC in a dedicated home theater completely light controlled and calibrated.
Again, i have to see the Sonys to compare.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | ElTopo wrote: | Watched "After Earth" blu-ray on my Cine9 and have to say once again that this maschine is the absolute reference when it comes to picture quality.
Projectors i had in the past: BG801s, Barco 701, Barco Cine7, BG808, Barco Cine8, Marquee9500LC Ultra
Got also some impressions from actual projector line ups like JVC but none of these can compare.
Have to see the Sony VW1000/1100 and the VW500......
BTW: movie was bad |
Its your preference.. the SONY G90 and the Marquee 9500LC both have better bandwidth performance from what i have seen.
So i wonder a bit what it is that the Barco 909 is douing right.? Its clearly not fine details and ansi contrast on fine details.
Can you describe a bit more about the differences, and what its douing better.. document it with some screenshots maybe.? |
In my appinion a cine9 is the best CRT ever made, but I have not seen them together in a side by side test.
And it depends how good you are with adjustments and picture adjustments.
But you can be right, not my aria. I like to see screenshot of the cine9 bandwidth, but I think that if a marquee should have a chance it have to be the Lc ultra verson.
But again have not seen them in the same room. |
My impression , from looking screen shots, and whats posted on this forum, make me think that the SONY G90 might be the best standard CRT option, Decent bandwidth, super focus, and good tubes and lenses.
Next ill guess is the Marquee with the best bandwidth performance, but the more dificoult focus,
Last ill put the Barco, with the worse bandwidth performans, that dont get saved by the good tubes and lenses, and focus system.
But the battle these days will be moddet machines.. There is still no proves of better bandwidth performance on the 909.
But there is clear evidence of super bandwidth performance mods on Marquee. |
From screenshots you are right, I have not seen anything better than your Marquee yet on the screenshots on a CRT.
But screenshots are nothing worth with different camera, room and so on.
But gives a indication, but won`t put money on that a cine9 wont win in a side by side test with a marquee lc ultra |
That will depend if what you like.. for sure the 909 will look more film alike.. or whatever low bandwidth look like.. you will have long rise and fall time on all edges.. and loos lots of details, if you compare to a machine that can fully resolve 1080P 72hz
And the marquee is made with all kinds of lenses and tubes, so best would be to compare it to a marquee 9520 with LUG tubes and HD 10E lenses... And the Marquee problem, is that its hard to find 2 that performs the same out of factory.. guess they were a bit sloppy when putting them together. Or the tubes are just to different.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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That will depend if what you like.. for sure the 909 will look more film alike.. or whatever low bandwidth look like.. you will have long rise and fall time on all edges.. and loos lots of details, if you compare to a machine that can fully resolve 1080P 72hz
And the marquee is made with all kinds of lenses and tubes, so best would be to compare it to a marquee 9520 with LUG tubes and HD 10E lenses... And the Marquee problem, is that its hard to find 2 that performs the same out of factory.. guess they were a bit sloppy when putting them together. Or the tubes are just to different.[/quote]
Question:
How has this been compared? by screenshots? Just rumors? Someone tested this?
And again "film like" the old CRT word that have no meaning. hehe.
Let me in on this Barco Cine9 vs Marquee 9500 LC Ultra I have seen both, but not the 9500 LC Ultra just lc.
And form me, thumbs up Barco 909 or cine 9 on HD material so far,,. but only what I think no tests.
Problem nr one, projectors to heavy to carry around for side by side test.
A friend of mine have a 909 reality and a marquee 9500 LC ultra, he uses the Barco. I ask him if he wants to arrange a shot out.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Rember to put same tubes and lenses, on both, so you are comparing the video chain in both.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Rember to put same tubes and lenses, on both, so you are comparing the video chain in both. |
I do not know what kind of lenses he have.
But I let you know. If he wants to do the test then..you Never know.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Rember to put same tubes and lenses, on both, so you are comparing the video chain in both. |
I got a go, on this test. With same lenses and original, no modds.
Have to wait some because of a main card on the 909 reality have a error and need to be fixed.
Then we get the answer. Side By Side.
This guy is also the best of adjusting a crt that I know, so I know the result will be stunning in both.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Rember to put same tubes and lenses, on both, so you are comparing the video chain in both. |
I got a go, on this test. With same lenses and original, no modds.
Have to wait some because of a main card on the 909 reality have a error and need to be fixed.
Then we get the answer. Side By Side.
This guy is also the best of adjusting a crt that I know, so I know the result will be stunning in both. |
Exiting..
would be nice if you could take some screenshots like last time, and document some differences.. 
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Rember to put same tubes and lenses, on both, so you are comparing the video chain in both. |
I got a go, on this test. With same lenses and original, no modds.
Have to wait some because of a main card on the 909 reality have a error and need to be fixed.
Then we get the answer. Side By Side.
This guy is also the best of adjusting a crt that I know, so I know the result will be stunning in both. |
Exiting..
would be nice if you could take some screenshots like last time, and document some differences.. |
I will also take photos of test images. Without knowing, I think the Barco is better in total. But I have to see, before I say anything.
Keep you informed. 😀
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ElTopo
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:20 am Post subject: |
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@Diddern: You got your VW1000 calibrated ? What about the calibration when your bulb ages ?
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| ElTopo wrote: | | @Diddern: You got your VW1000 calibrated ? What about the calibration when your bulb ages ? |
I calibrate again simple. And I keep track of the loss of light every 50 hour.
And so far no problem at all. And now about 600 hours. If it comes over delta E higher than 1
I re calibrate. And if I feel that it comes under my punch reference I change the light source.
We live in the 2013 mister. I might don't have the vw1000 in a year. Then if something is better..
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="stridsvognen"][quote="Diddern"] | stridsvognen wrote: | | Rember to put same tubes and lenses, on both, so you are comparing the video chain in both. |
Talked to the guy that have them both, he did some compartments a while ago, and he mean that there is a estimated 20-25% better picture on the 909 reality. I will check everything, and have no favorites. But I believe that when he picks the Barco 909 reality it has to be something with it. After the test maybe he will pick the marquee 9500 Lc ultra who knows.😜
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Diddern"][quote="stridsvognen"] | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Rember to put same tubes and lenses, on both, so you are comparing the video chain in both. |
Talked to the guy that have them both, he did some compartments a while ago, and he mean that there is a estimated 20-25% better picture on the 909 reality. I will check everything, and have no favorites. But I believe that when he picks the Barco 909 reality it has to be something with it. After the test maybe he will pick the marquee 9500 Lc ultra who knows.😜 |
Try make him post here, and let us know what trim this marquee is in.. VIM board tubes lenses video chain and so on..
A 9500LC ultra is not just a 9500LC ultra..
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ElTopo
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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25% ? Wow that sounds like a diff between a 8 inch vs 9 inch.....
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="ElTopo"]25% ? Wow that sounds like a diff between a 8 inch vs 9 inch.....[/quote
Give a sh*t about % I will see which is best don't worry.😀
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