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kal
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | What, cause he's more comfortable with 100lbs dropping on his head compared to 240? |
Ah, an RS56 weighs only about 34 lbs(?), AFAIK.
Of course, it depends on where it falls, so I suppose if it landed in the wrong spot, it could still crush your junk.  That might be a consideration.
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WanMan
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| VideoGrabber wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: | | What, cause he's more comfortable with 100lbs dropping on his head compared to 240? |
Ah, an RS56 weighs only about 34 lbs(?), AFAIK.
Of course, it depends on where it falls, so I suppose if it landed in the wrong spot, it could still crush your junk. That might be a consideration. |
Curt's just concerned about turning into The Bride (a la KBv1), and then getting raped repeatedly while in a coma. 
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RVonse
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| kal wrote: | | RVonse wrote: | | Another thing I am sure I will need eventually is an extension cord for the rf emitter cause the stock cord is way too short IMO. |
Why? RF is not line of sight. It's meant to plug into the back of the projector and not be seen.
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I said rf but I should have said if and the cord is only around 10'. However, I got my glasses yesterday and luckily the infrared must be able to bounce back from the screen to the glasses so for now everything is working perfectly. It took quite a awhile to get the glasses registered and upgraded with latest firmware but the process was well worth the effort. I now know for sure that xpand model x104 glasses do work with my JVC RU55 dila, in fact they work extremely well. Worth knowing because you can buy the model x104 glasses at Amazon for $20 versus the $170 that JVC wants for their glasses.
As a side note I just have to say this 3d was really worth the extra trouble and expense. I think this technology is spectacular and wonderful beyond belief. Based on what I read about JVC I was not expecting too much, but for me JVC's 3d is if anything better in terms of clarity than what I see when going to the commercial theater. When re-watching the film Promethius in the 3d version I found I had missed many scenery details I did not either see or notice when watching the 2d version. Especially in the star scene when the alien is taking off to earth. The additional detail not only makes watching the movie more enjoyable but makes my theater look bigger than it is. I know I am going to start buying a lot more 3d movies instead of just plain blu ray now despite the much higher cost. For you guys that already own a 3d ready JVC projector, for less than $100 IMO you owe it to yourselves to at least buy an emitter and glasses to see for yourselves. Up until now I was really rather unbiased/no opinion about Sony beating Toshiba on the hddvd format but now I have come to believe it was a good thing that blu ray prevailed in order to allow 3d to become possible for the mass public. We all should have great expectations for the future.
I'm still undecided where to place the emitter in my theater but at least I know the system will work if I put it back by the projector and just point it to the screen.
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jamsys
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| RVonse wrote: | I got my dvi to hdmi converters today and one of the htpc's (the one with the geforce video card) works great. No problems with ringing
on that computer and it is a treat to see such a perfect clear desktop. I've never in my life seen windows projected better, its just stunningly crystal clear. Unfortunately the other Radean 9700 pro isn't working yet through hdmi for some reason so I still have to work through that problem. I also got my hdmi switcher like Kal suggested and it is working great using the first hdmi JVC port. I have hdvd on port 1, blu ray on port 2, and htpc's on ports 3 and 4.
I bought JVC's PK-EM1 3d emitter, a promethius 3d disc, and a pair of xpand x102 glasses. After working with Sony over the phone to get my blu ray firmware upgraded I at least got the disc to play but no luck getting the glasses to work. It turns out that I should have bought either the X103 or X104 glasses so I ordered that today. Without the glasses working I could still see a clear double picture so I am pretty sure the projector is probably working 3d. I can't wait to get the right glasses. Another thing I am sure I will need eventually is an extension cord for the rf emitter cause the stock cord is way too short IMO. The plug on the cord is called a 3pin mini-din and I don't think it is going to be easy to find.
After watching quite a few movies with my wife she hasn't really made any comments about whether it is better or worse than my old 9inch crt. But the next door neighbor sure has. He just bought skyfall and wants to come over to watch it in my theater. He has never asked to do that before.  |
So which model glasses did you end up getting??? (from where??)
I am about to take the leap.... I wonder if the 3D glass's that came with my Elite 60" would work
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RVonse
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I ended up being successful with the xpand x104 model (from Amazon for $21) but it does require a software upgrade to the glasses. The software was not so easy for me to upgrade because I only have windows xp with service pack 2 but if you have windows7 you are probably not going to have to upgrade frame software to the computer itself like I did. The whole upgrading process took me over an hour but it is free. I bought the xpand x104 glasses off Amazon for $21. Amazon also sells an older model x103 that is supposed to work with JVC as well and does not require a firmware update. The x103 glasses are able to be compatible by pushing a button several times depending on the model of projector. But those glasses sell for around $30 and they do not have the ability (like the x104) to recharge the batteries thru a USB/firewire cord. In fact, AFAIK the x103 does not even have a firewire port on them.
If you already have 3d glasses from an elite 60 and trying to use them on a JVC projector.....well that's Pioneer and not JVC right? I would be highly doubtful if Pioneer made their 3d stuff compatible with JVC but who knows? Try them and see, nothing to lose. What I do know is that Samsung and Panasonic and almost every other brands out there each have their own shutter code that does not work with JVC. It kind of reminds of the format war of VHS tapes and hddvd.
What makes the xpand brand so powerful IMO is that (besides being so cheap) they will work with everybody. Just change the firmware in the glasses and you're good to go.
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kal
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Thanks for the link. Sounds like he really likes it.
The RS56 should give similar performance with a bump in contrast ratio being the biggest difference.
Looking at his settings, I notice that he uses enhanced HDMI (0-255) instead of standard (16-235). This means he runs Contrast at +11 and Brightness -6 to compensate. I run standard and both at 0 are perfect so I wonder why bother?
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| kal wrote: | | Thanks for the link. Sounds like he really likes it. |
Yeah, though I thought the review was rather lame, wrt e-shift. He sits a fair ways away (1.6 screen widths), and commented "...in my system, the image looked just as good without e-shift engaged". That's good to know, for those who do the same, but does nothing to help those who sit closer.
"I can certainly see how this would be a feature you’d want if you sit very close to an extremely large screen, but that simply isn’t the case for me." so I didn't even bother to try it to see. [my addition]
Doesn't seem like a very useful review technique to me. And frankly, 1.2x isn't "very close", nor would a screen have to be "extremely large" either. All he had to do was pull up a chair a bit closer than his normal viewing distance to be able to evaluate it. But it wasn't worth the trouble. Lame.
Good to hear that banding has been reduced though. That's something I hadn't read elsewhere.
| Quote: | | Looking at his settings, I notice that he uses enhanced HDMI (0-255) instead of standard (16-235). This means he runs Contrast at +11 and Brightness -6 to compensate. I run standard and both at 0 are perfect so I wonder why bother? |
Probably because he's unaware of your findings, and assumes (0-255) will give him an opportunity to get more out of it with tweaked settings.
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Not to defend Kris, but I know he wasn't very interested in 4k when it came out in 2011. He was hoping for improvements in other areas first.
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | Not to defend Kris, but... |
I was probably being too harsh. The review on the whole was well done and informative. I shouldn't nitpick one area he dropped the ball in.
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RVonse
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Here's yet another 3d update with my JVC 55. I got my second pair of xpand glasses but model 103 instead of 104. Looks like the 103 glasses basically perform exactly the same but are heavier made, no dealing with software, and no provision for recharging the battery. IMO, that makes the 104 the best bang for the buck since it is about $5-10 cheaper than the x103 , works the same at least on JVC, and does not require buying batteries. The software is a pain but it only has to be done once.
I also got my second 3d movie (Captain America) but unfortunately I did not think the presentation was as good as Promethius. With Promethius I can actually watch the movie without feeling the need to bump up the lamp brightness, but not so with Captain America. After watching Captain America I have lost some of my initial 3d enthusiasm.
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kal
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| RVonse wrote: | | I also got my second 3d movie (Captain America) but unfortunately I did not think the presentation was as good as Promethius. With Promethius I can actually watch the movie without feeling the need to bump up the lamp brightness, but not so with Captain America. After watching Captain America I have lost some of my initial 3d enthusiasm. |
The RS56 kicks into high lamp mode whenever you watch 3D so make up for some of the missing light output because of the 3D glasses. Are you running your projector in high lamp mode already in 2D?
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| VideoGrabber wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | Not to defend Kris, but... |
I was probably being too harsh. The review on the whole was well done and informative. I shouldn't nitpick one area he dropped the ball in. |
You weren't being too harsh, but I just wanted to give some clarity. He must have mentioned it half a dozen times IIRC.
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RVonse
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| kal wrote: | | RVonse wrote: | | I also got my second 3d movie (Captain America) but unfortunately I did not think the presentation was as good as Promethius. With Promethius I can actually watch the movie without feeling the need to bump up the lamp brightness, but not so with Captain America. After watching Captain America I have lost some of my initial 3d enthusiasm. |
The RS56 kicks into high lamp mode whenever you watch 3D so make up for some of the missing light output because of the 3D glasses. Are you running your projector in high lamp mode already in 2D?
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I've been running the projector in "natural mode" most of the time for 2d and 3d, which I believe is a lower lamp setting. My "55" projector will not go into 3d mode automatically anymore like you say but that might only be because I manually selected Promethius 3d in natural mode. I'm guessing maybe the projector "remembers" that state now. Initially I did try Promethius in 3d mode and yes its a little higher brightness and more color saturation but I figured why stress the lamp if I could watch it fine without it. Not so with Captain America though.
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RVonse
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I'm going to call up JVC tomorrow because after buying another video card, I still can not get my 2nd htpc to play at 1080p over either hdmi port. Plays fine at 720p but when I bump it up to 1080 it wont sync. This new card is an ATI X850 and is supposed to have twice the horsepower of my old ATI 9700pro yet it acts the same. So now I am wondering if this is a performance issue or if ATI for some reason is just not compatible with JVC hdmi running a 1080p resolution. The other computer with a Geforce pci express 7600 works just fine dvi at 1080p but to be fair the 7600 is rated even faster than the X850. Unfortunately, the motherboard with the ATI cards is only AGP and it is very difficult to find a video card that can handle hdmi in that format. Nor would I know beforehand if it would even work for JVC, I could spend a lot of money for a video card that will do me no more good. From what I have read about the subject, the video card has to process a lot more if the motherboard has an AGP socket vs the pciexpress. I'm about ready to buy another motherboard that has pciexpress and another geforce 7600 for the other computer but I am wondering if it would be worth trying a geforce 6600 with an AGP socket first. If this is an ATI compatibility issue, the 6600 might just solve the problem without a motherboard upgrade.
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Not sure if this applies to your situation or not but what I found back when I was testing Moome cards in my Sony 1271 switcher was the Nvidia cards would drive it fine but the ATi cards wouldn't. I think the ATi put out a lower voltage/amperage over the DVI/HDMI line than the Nvidia do.
Do you have an HDMI switcher with an equalizer ( booster ) in it? If so that may help you get enough signal into the JVC from the ATi card. You could also try an HDMI repeater designed to drive longer cables.
The other thought is cable length. In our analog cabling world we had learned to keep the cables as short as possible. However, in HDMI hell land we have learned that a 3 foot cable will sometimes NOT work at all and we need to goto a 6 foot, 10 foot or even 12 foot cable to get the HDMI working.
Since you already get a picture at 720P I would suspect the video card over the cabling but it's something to keep in mind.
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You're trying to get a Windows PC to put 1080p over HDMI, it won't work, and you're thinking of calling JVC about it? Don't bother. I'll bet money it's simply one of the 137 things in a Windows PC that can cause issues like you're having: Hardware (ATI vs. Nvidia like Jeremy said), firmware version, driver version, motherboard, monitor INF, Windows patch... Need I go on? If I worked at JVC and you called me about this, I'd have to respond with something like, 'You're calling us about a PC issue like this? Seriously?'
FWIW, I have an ATI Radeon HD 4350 PCIe, and once I figured out the stupid setting buried somewhere in the 87 control panel settings panes to get rid of the under scan, it works at 1080p just fine. Of course, the audio is PCM, I've spent a couple of hours trying to get it to bitstream, and was reminded yet again what a colossal time suck HTPC is.
AGP machines are ancient at this point - you can pick up PCIe machines for next to nothing now. I bought a 2.0 or 2.2 ghz Core 2 Duo HP tower with PCIe - probably a 3 year old machine - locally for $150 with Windows 7.
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| ecrabb wrote: | | You're trying to get a Windows PC to put 1080p over HDMI, it won't work, and you're thinking of calling JVC about it? Don't bother. I'll bet money it's simply one of the 137 things in a Windows PC that can cause issues like you're having: Hardware (ATI vs. Nvidia like Jeremy said), firmware version, driver version, motherboard, monitor INF, Windows patch... Need I go on? If I worked at JVC and you called me about this, I'd have to respond with something like, 'You're calling us about a PC issue like this? Seriously?' |
That's exactly how it went today! He did come up with one idea I hadn't thought of though. It was to connect the video card around the switcher. Didn't help or make any difference to my problem but it was a nice effort anyway.
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FWIW, I have an ATI Radeon HD 4350 PCIe, and once I figured out the stupid setting buried somewhere in the 87 control panel settings panes to get rid of the under scan, it works at 1080p just fine. Of course, the audio is PCM, I've spent a couple of hours trying to get it to bitstream, and was reminded yet again what a colossal time suck HTPC is. |
Holy crap, I'm starting to feel lucky just to have one computer working right. You've got a far more advanced card and still having to fiddle for 1080p? Makes me feel like this is way over my head. There was a time 5-10 years ago you could find some really sharp advice over at AVS but now their computer forum is but a shadow of what it once was. Apparently there must be a lot of people giving up on htpc. And you're right about htpc being a colossal way to fritter your life away.
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AGP machines are ancient at this point - you can pick up PCIe machines for next to nothing now. I bought a 2.0 or 2.2 ghz Core 2 Duo HP tower with PCIe - probably a 3 year old machine - locally for $150 with Windows 7. |
That was my very first thought......until I started thinking about all the things I have put onto that C drive over the years. All those drivers and codecs I've installed over a 5+year time span. All that work just goes up in smoke if I change motherboards. 
I found a geforce 7600 card on ebay today with an AGP socket. Did not even know they even made such a thing but since I know the pciexpress version works maybe this will be worth one last shot before I throw in the towel completely. I still haven't given up yet!
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