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Cheap Way to add calibration to my setup? (grayscale?)

 
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fragzero



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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:08 pm    Post subject: Cheap Way to add calibration to my setup? (grayscale?)

Current setup: HTPC/bluray/xbox - VP50 pro - HDFury 3 - RTC2220 - Cine 8

Wondering if there is a relatively cheap way to get my setup calibrated?

My VP50 pro almost has no functions so this can't be done and i can't afford a Radiance Mini.

I suppose i could do grayscale with the controls in my Barco and the gamma boost from the RTC2200?

Is this possible? And if so, which software and meter do i need for it to be done?
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:15 pm    Post subject:

There a few Lumagen HDP processors for sale at videogon and I think some one has one here for sale.

Id get that and sell the DVDO.

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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:07 pm    Post subject:

I could get a Lumagen HDP Pro + a set of modded HD144's for +- the money i could get for my VP50 pro.

But a HPD Pro only does 1080p24 if I'm not mistaken. I'd lose the ability to scale 1080p60 to 960P60 (which i prefer for my Xbox and will only get sharper when i get 120mhz amps)
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:23 pm    Post subject:

LOW END: Use free ColorHCFR software and my guide and a low end meter. See: https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=10457.html
To do this you follow my 20,000 word guide and do what it says. Cost is about $100-200 or so.

BETTER: Chromapure with a Display 3 meter. See: http://www.curtpalme.com/ChromaPure_EyeOneDisplay3.shtm
Much better meter (more accurate/faster reading). You don't need to read my 20,000 word guide. Instead, ChromaPure guides you through the process. My guide is actually based on the ChromaPure process because it's so intuitive. Cost is about $400-500. The "PRO" version is on sale until Jan 15.

BEST/NO WORK: Chromapure with a Display 3 meter + auto-calibrate and a Lumagen Radiance. See: http://www.curtpalme.com/Radiance.shtm
Info about auto-calibrate: http://www.curtpalme.com/ChromaPure.shtm
Info about the new 125 advanced auto-calibrate: https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=32073.html
Cost is about $2000. Instead of only calibrating 6 points this does up to 125 and does it completely automatically without you having to adjust anything in the display or understand what to do next. The result is increased accuracy from slightly more accurate to much more accurate (depends how non-linear the display's response is - many are not accurate so the 125 point really helps). Instead of doing 2 point greyscale you're also doing 20. Same with gamma. Instead of adjusting one single control on the RTC2200, you get 20 points to adjust and it's done automatically. Results in perfectly flat greyscale & gamma. I was never able to get my Cine 8 perfectly flat using only the controls in the display with the RTC2200. Wasn't bad by any stretch of the imagination but it was never flat. To see my results read the my free guide (the first link above). It was done with a low end meter and only the RTC2200 for gamma, and 2-point greyscale adjustment inside the projector.

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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject:

fragzero wrote:
I could get a Lumagen HDP Pro + a set of modded HD144's for +- the money i could get for my VP50 pro.

But a HPD Pro only does 1080p24 if I'm not mistaken. I'd lose the ability to scale 1080p60 to 960P60 (which i prefer for my Xbox and will only get sharper when i get 120mhz amps)


Out? No it can do 1080p@60 out. And do 1080p@72 vie RGBHV( the DVI out can be configured that way to outoput analog)

What Id do is put the Fury before the lumagen then use the lumagen to output RGBHV. no need for the
RTC. the lumagen will do greyscale and Gamma at 11 points.

Then you can play around with resolutions. Id go 1080p@24 in and 1080p@48 out for games and use 800p@72 out for 2.4 aspect ratio movies. I think you'll like it. Sell the VP 50 and RTC 2200. Wink

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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
the lumagen will do greyscale and Gamma at 11 points.

It does both 5% and 10% increments so up to 20 points can be done for greyscale and gamma.

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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:12 pm    Post subject:

kal wrote:
Nashou66 wrote:
the lumagen will do greyscale and Gamma at 11 points.

It does both 5% and 10% increments so up to 20 points can be done for greyscale and gamma.

Kal


Kal, I think He was asking about a cheap way. I suggested the older Lumagen's. The HDP series. They only have 10%
increments.

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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:15 pm    Post subject:

Ah! Of course. I missed that.

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fragzero



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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:21 pm    Post subject:

My xbox can only do 720p60 - 1080p60 or 1080i60.

I'll probably grab the Lumagen and exchange it with my dvdo unit.

I don't need 1080p72, my projector is very soft at that point.

@Kal - do you have any experience with the Spyder 4?
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:44 pm    Post subject:

fragzero wrote:
@Kal - do you have any experience with the Spyder 4?

Not the 4th but I've used the older ones and talked to lots of calibrators about Spyder meters over the years. While this may have changed, the manucfacturer did not calibrate/tweak themto get some reasonable consistency so they tended to vary a lot from unit to unit. They're cheaper for a reason.

Complete details here in my FAQ: https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=11436.html

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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject:

I have read your comments on the 1-2-3 versions, i was hoping the 4 was better since it's by far the cheapest option.

I will grab the Lumagen HDP (not pro) and change my videochain to

HTPC/bluray/xbox - HDP - (long hdmi cable) - HDFury 3 - Cine 8

Can use component or RGBHV for my xbox so i will have enough inputs, can try 1080i or else i will stick with 720p.

Putting the HDFury at the end, high quality RGBHV cables are a lot more expensive than HDMI cables Smile

Now for a meter, doubting between the ColorHCFR or Chromapure solution, the difference in cost isn't that great.

Thanks for the help!
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