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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | Now why dont these pictures look the same.?
Who have messed up that picture. ? It is the same picture right.? |
No its not, if you take a photo with HDR you get 2 pictures.
And one is brighter. And does that have anything to say?
Just prove more that camera pic is useless, when not you used the same camera.
I can send both if you want. And can correct pic with HDR if you want.
I have no use of manipulating pictures at all if that's what you think.
Now you try to pick on me...
Did you read this at all. or ignore ?
Diddern
PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:42 am Post subject:
I'm sorry stridsvognen I started sh*t talk now against you.
I won't be rude you did not do anything wrong when you came on.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | Now why dont these pictures look the same.?
Who have messed up that picture. ? It is the same picture right.? |
No its not, if you take a photo with HDR you get 2 pictures.
And one is brighter. And does that have anything to say?
Just prove more that camera pic is useless, when not you used the same camera.
I can send both if you want. And can correct pic with HDR if you want.
I have no use of manipulating pictures at all if that's what you think.
Now you try to pick on me...
Did you read this at all. or ignore ?
Diddern
PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:42 am Post subject:
I'm sorry stridsvognen I started sh*t talk now against you.
I won't be rude you did not do anything wrong when you came on. |
Im not picking on you, im asking who messed up that picture.. Where do all the distortion come from.? And why is it posted,? what is the picture trying to show.?
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | I'm sorry stridsvognen I started sh*t talk now against you.
I won't be rude you did not do anything wrong when you came on. |
Next time you feel the need, just post it in the other thread, then we can have a good go at each other.. |
No because there you were just the same and we did not start it. at least not me.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | Now why dont these pictures look the same.?
Who have messed up that picture. ? It is the same picture right.? |
No its not, if you take a photo with HDR you get 2 pictures.
And one is brighter. And does that have anything to say?
Just prove more that camera pic is useless, when not you used the same camera.
I can send both if you want. And can correct pic with HDR if you want.
I have no use of manipulating pictures at all if that's what you think.
Now you try to pick on me...
Did you read this at all. or ignore ?
Diddern
PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:42 am Post subject:
I'm sorry stridsvognen I started sh*t talk now against you.
I won't be rude you did not do anything wrong when you came on. |
Im not picking on you, im asking who messed up that picture.. Where do all the distortion come from.? And why is it posted,? what is the picture trying to show.? |
And what so ever" you did" not hope that I did some manipulating haha. The distortion is from the phone I guess or maybe the 808 or maybe the vibration on this hand do not know I see it my selves in some days.
Forget it, I use to many hours writing just to you on forums. The pictures, You see what you want to see, and take your own conclusions.
Nothing else.
I just wanted to see how a 909 looked like on this nec picture. Because I do not see any 909 before I go there. Now we are Happy 
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | I'm sorry stridsvognen I started sh*t talk now against you.
I won't be rude you did not do anything wrong when you came on. |
Next time you feel the need, just post it in the other thread, then we can have a good go at each other.. |
No because there you were just the same and we did not start it. at least not me. |
So now you dont want me to ansver your questions.. Come on.. Go in the other thread and lets have some fun.
Feel free to call me whatever you like over there.. ill be waiting for you. Just dont respond this one here.. copy past it to the other thread.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | I'm sorry stridsvognen I started sh*t talk now against you.
I won't be rude you did not do anything wrong when you came on. |
Next time you feel the need, just post it in the other thread, then we can have a good go at each other.. |
No because there you were just the same and we did not start it. at least not me. |
So now you dont want me to ansver your questions.. Come on.. Go in the other thread and lets have some fun.
Feel free to call me whatever you like over there.. ill be waiting for you. Just dont respond this one here.. copy past it to the other thread. |
Let someone else answer, it was there I started picking on you and again sorry for that.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | I like the shots Francisco made, its very nice screenshots with no sharpness addet, or other distortions, And i will take that 909 over the 808 from those shots, i would start douing something about those visible scanlines. It will to me be a dealbreaker.. It will make it look more artificial than needed. |
That's also what I saw and that is extremely good. But I saw that form the pattern we posted many times.
And you do not see the scan lines from the hot spot, so why bother, the image gets sharper if its like this.
And screen door or scan line door will not or wont be a problem. hehe
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | I like the shots Francisco made, its very nice screenshots with no sharpness addet, or other distortions, And i will take that 909 over the 808 from those shots, i would start douing something about those visible scanlines. It will to me be a dealbreaker.. It will make it look more artificial than needed. |
That's also what I saw and that is extremely good. But I saw that form the pattern we posted many times.
And you do not see the scan lines from the hot spot, so why bother, the image gets sharper if its like this. |
You cant see the scanlines from your hot spot.. exately like you dont see pixels.. But it is distortion to the image, and it will anoy me at my hot spot.
Remember many of us running CRT are sitting very close to the screen. Closer than anyone like to see a normal Digital projector.
He posted 3 screen shots, try explain different parameters you see in them, and cross compare, and evaluate.. Give him some recomandations how he might improve his image. What parameters he can adjust, or what source to run.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | I like the shots Francisco made, its very nice screenshots with no sharpness addet, or other distortions, And i will take that 909 over the 808 from those shots, i would start douing something about those visible scanlines. It will to me be a dealbreaker.. It will make it look more artificial than needed. |
That's also what I saw and that is extremely good. But I saw that form the pattern we posted many times.
And you do not see the scan lines from the hot spot, so why bother, the image gets sharper if its like this. |
You cant see the scanlines from your hot spot.. exately like you dont see pixels.. But it is distortion to the image, and it will anoy me at my hot spot.
Remember many of us running CRT are sitting very close to the screen. Closer than anyone like to see a normal Digital projector.
He posted 3 screen shots, try explain different parameters you see in them, and cross compare, and evaluate.. Give him some recomandations how he might improve his image. What parameters he can adjust, or what source to run. |
I did that, but I do not have a CRT in my house to give him some god advice, the only thing I did say to him was that to get more simulated punch in 1:1 then horizontal and vertical like you have, to try the convergence. Because on my digital there were big different if I moved red 0,1mm to the left. Maybe the same on his.
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Diddern
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But it is distortion to the image? How close do you guys sit to the screen? Do not tell me that you can see distension from 3 meter. ? at least not by locking at 2 shots taken from max 0,7-1 meter. If you have bigger screen 160" maybe. But then not much light left if you do not have a hi gain screen.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | I like the shots Francisco made, its very nice screenshots with no sharpness addet, or other distortions, And i will take that 909 over the 808 from those shots, i would start douing something about those visible scanlines. It will to me be a dealbreaker.. It will make it look more artificial than needed. |
That's also what I saw and that is extremely good. But I saw that form the pattern we posted many times.
And you do not see the scan lines from the hot spot, so why bother, the image gets sharper if its like this. |
You cant see the scanlines from your hot spot.. exately like you dont see pixels.. But it is distortion to the image, and it will anoy me at my hot spot.
Remember many of us running CRT are sitting very close to the screen. Closer than anyone like to see a normal Digital projector.
He posted 3 screen shots, try explain different parameters you see in them, and cross compare, and evaluate.. Give him some recomandations how he might improve his image. What parameters he can adjust, or what source to run. |
I did that, but I do not have a CRT in my house to give him some god advice, the only thing I did say to him was that to get more simulated punch in 1:1 then horizontal and vertical like you have, to try the convergence. Because on my digital there were big different if I moved red 0,1mm to the left. Maybe the same on his. |
See thats exatly why its so scary that someone like you try to explain a experient CRT user what to do, and evaluate CRT performance.
If you want to play with the CRT boys, i think you need to go find one and find out how its working, or refresh your 20 years of CRT experience.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | But it is distortion to the image? How close do you guys sit to the screen? Do not tell me that you can see distension from 3 meter. ? at least not by locking at 2 shots taken from max 0,7-1 meter. If you have bigger screen 160" maybe. But then not much light left if you do not have a hi gain screen. |
Ill try teach you something new today then.. What do we need a big screen for.?
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | I like the shots Francisco made, its very nice screenshots with no sharpness addet, or other distortions, And i will take that 909 over the 808 from those shots, i would start douing something about those visible scanlines. It will to me be a dealbreaker.. It will make it look more artificial than needed. |
That's also what I saw and that is extremely good. But I saw that form the pattern we posted many times.
And you do not see the scan lines from the hot spot, so why bother, the image gets sharper if its like this. |
You cant see the scanlines from your hot spot.. exately like you dont see pixels.. But it is distortion to the image, and it will anoy me at my hot spot.
Remember many of us running CRT are sitting very close to the screen. Closer than anyone like to see a normal Digital projector.
He posted 3 screen shots, try explain different parameters you see in them, and cross compare, and evaluate.. Give him some recomandations how he might improve his image. What parameters he can adjust, or what source to run. |
I did that, but I do not have a CRT in my house to give him some god advice, the only thing I did say to him was that to get more simulated punch in 1:1 then horizontal and vertical like you have, to try the convergence. Because on my digital there were big different if I moved red 0,1mm to the left. Maybe the same on his. |
See thats exatly why its so scary that someone like you try to explain a experient CRT user what to do, and evaluate CRT performance.
If you want to play with the CRT boys, i think you need to go find one and findout how its working, or refresh your 20 years of CRT experience. |
Hehe oky
isn't this fun every time we start talking this forum get alive even if we do some piss talk also, and we should get payed hehe
And we have fun when we talk on the phone because then its not so easy to trow crap hehe. For me its more to come to the finished table, then to see how god or bad it is. I only check the quality of an image from a-å visible for your eye. The calibrator does his job and I do side by side. But on CRT I understand and remember when I was into this that if I lost a battle, it was just wrong adjustments. And 3 minutes after the people have left I adjusted and called people to get It better. And It feels that it got better, but when they come again the same result. hehe. I wonder if that's the case.
You can always get something better, but small adjustments when perfect is impossible to see after adjustments, because you do not remember how it was before you started. And therefore you adjust and adjust and adjust. I watch movie I am tired of adjustments. That's why I stopped CRT but still like it
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | I like the shots Francisco made, its very nice screenshots with no sharpness addet, or other distortions, And i will take that 909 over the 808 from those shots, i would start douing something about those visible scanlines. It will to me be a dealbreaker.. It will make it look more artificial than needed. |
That's also what I saw and that is extremely good. But I saw that form the pattern we posted many times.
And you do not see the scan lines from the hot spot, so why bother, the image gets sharper if its like this. |
You cant see the scanlines from your hot spot.. exately like you dont see pixels.. But it is distortion to the image, and it will anoy me at my hot spot.
Remember many of us running CRT are sitting very close to the screen. Closer than anyone like to see a normal Digital projector.
He posted 3 screen shots, try explain different parameters you see in them, and cross compare, and evaluate.. Give him some recomandations how he might improve his image. What parameters he can adjust, or what source to run. |
I did that, but I do not have a CRT in my house to give him some god advice, the only thing I did say to him was that to get more simulated punch in 1:1 then horizontal and vertical like you have, to try the convergence. Because on my digital there were big different if I moved red 0,1mm to the left. Maybe the same on his. |
See thats exatly why its so scary that someone like you try to explain a experient CRT user what to do, and evaluate CRT performance.
If you want to play with the CRT boys, i think you need to go find one and findout how its working, or refresh your 20 years of CRT experience. |
Hehe oky
isn't this fun every time we start talking this forum get alive even if we do some piss talk also, and we should get payed hehe
And we have fun when we talk on the phone because then its not so easy to trow crap hehe. For me its more to come to the finished table, then to see how god or bad it is. I only check the quality of an image from a-å visible for your eye. The calibrator does his job and I do side by side. But on CRT I understand and remember when I was into this that if I lost a battle, it was just wrong adjustments. And 3 minutes after the people have left I adjusted and called people to get It better. And It feels that it got better, but when they come again the same result. hehe. I wonder if that's the case.
You can always get something better, but small adjustments when perfect is impossible to see after adjustments, because you do not remember how it was before you started. And therefore you adjust and adjust and adjust. I watch movie I am tired of adjustments. That's why I stopped CRT but still like it |
But to understand CRT and be able to get it as close to perfect, you need to calibrate yourself.
Its all conected, the gamma response with the foucus and so on.
And a very good way to display that all 3 tubes perform identical is to post a native grayscale with no digital correction.
But im sure you know and did that lots of times.
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Diddern
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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"See thats exatly why its so scary that someone like you try to explain a experient CRT user what to do, and evaluate CRT performance. "
For all to know I DO NOT ADJUST CRT now that was a long time ago, and if I had a crt now in 2013 I will PAY the best to do it 100% perfect and do every possible mod. Even if he lived in the US I get that guy..
I only check projectors when a calibrator has done the job perfect with all. I start,, Or if someone clams that they have a better projector than something.
That's also what I said to mr Stridsvognen, make your projector 110% Then I take the trip and compare Side by side. If someone messed up the picture on projector A I do not care. Then its a loss. I also thought that the Sony HW50 was goanna win over the New JVC x500 But the JVC was better. If not much, but better.
So I hope this is perfectly clear for everyone......
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | "See thats exatly why its so scary that someone like you try to explain a experient CRT user what to do, and evaluate CRT performance. "
For all to know I DO NOT ADJUST CRT now that was a long time ago, and if I had a crt now in 2013 I will PAY the best to do it 100% perfect and do every possible mod. Even if he lived in the US I get that guy..
I only check projectors when a calibrator has done the job perfect with all. I start,, Or if someone clams that they have a better projector than something.
That's also what I said to mr Stridsvognen, make your projector 110% Then I take the trip and compare Side by side. If someone messed up the picture on projector A I do not care. Then its a loss. I also thought that the Sony HW50 was goanna win over the New JVC x500 But the JVC was better. If not much, but better.
So I hope this is perfectly clear for everyone...... |
So you not having the skill and experience to adjust and calibrate CRT, projectors in general, how is it you insist evaluating stuff you dont know about.?
Why dont you leave that to the calibrator commenting on performance parameters, and linking it to different adjustments.?
Why dont you just watch movies on your favorit projector when you dont even care to understand how its all working.?
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Diddern
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stridsvognen:
But to understand CRT and be able to get it as close to perfect, you need to calibrate yourself.
Its all conected, the gamma response with the foucus and so on.
And a very good way to display that all 3 tubes perform identical is to post a native grayscale with no digital correction.
But im sure you know and did that lots of times.
You had so much in the replay hehe
I mean that specially me or you will not get the picture 100% on a or your CRT. A pro calibrator and have to know crt will do it better than you I think. But I think part of the fun with CRT like I remembered it was to get information by friends and others.
And that was part of the CLUB. Now for me, that time is over and want to get a perfect picture after a calibration on a digital.
And then finished. I cant get it any better. Some fun lost YES.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | stridsvognen:
But to understand CRT and be able to get it as close to perfect, you need to calibrate yourself.
Its all conected, the gamma response with the foucus and so on.
And a very good way to display that all 3 tubes perform identical is to post a native grayscale with no digital correction.
But im sure you know and did that lots of times.
You had so much in the replay hehe
I mean that specially me or you will not get the picture 100% on a or your CRT. A pro calibrator and have to know crt will do it better than you I think. But I think part of the fun with CRT like I remembered it was to get information by friends and others.
And that was part of the CLUB. Now for me, that time is over and want to get a perfect picture after a calibration on a digital.
And then finished. I cant get it any better. Some fun lost YES. |
So what are you douing on a CRT forum ?
And trying to teach everyone whats up and down.?
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | "See thats exatly why its so scary that someone like you try to explain a experient CRT user what to do, and evaluate CRT performance. "
For all to know I DO NOT ADJUST CRT now that was a long time ago, and if I had a crt now in 2013 I will PAY the best to do it 100% perfect and do every possible mod. Even if he lived in the US I get that guy..
I only check projectors when a calibrator has done the job perfect with all. I start,, Or if someone clams that they have a better projector than something.
That's also what I said to mr Stridsvognen, make your projector 110% Then I take the trip and compare Side by side. If someone messed up the picture on projector A I do not care. Then its a loss. I also thought that the Sony HW50 was goanna win over the New JVC x500 But the JVC was better. If not much, but better.
So I hope this is perfectly clear for everyone...... |
So you not having the skill and experience to adjust and calibrate CRT, projectors in general, how is it you insist evaluating stuff you dont know about.?
Why don't you leave that to the calibrator commenting on performance parameters, and linking it to different adjustments.?
Why don't you just watch movies on your favorite projector when you don't even care to understand how its all working.? |
So you not having the skill and experience to adjust and calibrate CRT, projectors in general, how is it you insist evaluating stuff you don't know about.?
Lets put it the other way why do people claim that something is better when its far from that.
Just so some CRT guys think that CRT is still KING, or to sell more, try to keep CRT for some years more.
Why don't you leave that to the calibrator commenting on performance parameters, and linking it to different adjustments.?
He get played to say what I like to hear, and what you get on screen is more important than test patterns and measurements. Its not difficult to se what is best. And I am never alone so I get more information than I see, also maybe with a calibrator present.
Since I have to answer many questions to you can you answer mine.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Diddern wrote: | | stridsvognen wrote: | | Diddern wrote: | "See thats exatly why its so scary that someone like you try to explain a experient CRT user what to do, and evaluate CRT performance. "
For all to know I DO NOT ADJUST CRT now that was a long time ago, and if I had a crt now in 2013 I will PAY the best to do it 100% perfect and do every possible mod. Even if he lived in the US I get that guy..
I only check projectors when a calibrator has done the job perfect with all. I start,, Or if someone clams that they have a better projector than something.
That's also what I said to mr Stridsvognen, make your projector 110% Then I take the trip and compare Side by side. If someone messed up the picture on projector A I do not care. Then its a loss. I also thought that the Sony HW50 was goanna win over the New JVC x500 But the JVC was better. If not much, but better.
So I hope this is perfectly clear for everyone...... |
So you not having the skill and experience to adjust and calibrate CRT, projectors in general, how is it you insist evaluating stuff you dont know about.?
Why don't you leave that to the calibrator commenting on performance parameters, and linking it to different adjustments.?
Why don't you just watch movies on your favorite projector when you don't even care to understand how its all working.? |
So you not having the skill and experience to adjust and calibrate CRT, projectors in general, how is it you insist evaluating stuff you don't know about.?
Lets put it the other way why do people claim that something is better when its far from that.
Just so some CRT guys think that CRT is still KING, or to sell more, try to keep CRT for some years more.
Why don't you leave that to the calibrator commenting on performance parameters, and linking it to different adjustments.?
He get played to say what I like to hear, and what you get on screen is more important than test patterns and measurements. Its not difficult to se what is best. And I am never alone so I get more information than I see, also maybe with a calibrator present.
Since I have to answer many questions to you can you answer mine.
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Where and who claimed CRT are better, or KING.. ? where did that come from all of a sudden.. Thought we were having a CRT tech discusion here.? What did i miss.?
Im sure im picking on your skills to evaluate if and how a CRT performs.!
What questions you like me to ansver.. ?
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