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[larryk]

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?90306-REDRAY-ODEMAX

Just released, 4K player and soon 4K distribution network.

[Curt Palme]

Cool! I wonder what the current limit is on the length of HDMI cable? 3'?

[Curt Palme]

Cool! I wonder what the current limit is on the length of HDMI cable? 3'?

[larryk]

I assume it will be the same as 1080P 3D is now as it will output 4 synced outputs which is configured to allow multiple screens to run content. I have no idea if this would actually work but wouldn't it be amazing to see a 4 G90 blend in 4K resolution?

[larryk]

I am looking forward to distributing our content on Odemax as well. We have been shooting films in up to 5K resolution for some time but most of the time it's shrunk down to 2K or 1080P for distribution. This will change the world! at least for the film industry.

[Tim in Phoenix]

Noooooo


I refuse to go out and buy all those movies again..........


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[larryk]

you shouldn't have to. Here is what they will provide.

Odemax and RED are leveling the playing field. Odemax launches first by giving the independent producer, filmmaker, studio and distributor a system that will place them in the same distribution league as the major studio. Odemax is not a distributor, but rather is a distribution platform. Meaning we'll even allow the major studios to distribute their stories too, as long as they're 4K. We'll have some announcements regarding that soon.

[ElTopo]

With 2 x Barco Reality 909 it should be possible

[Tim in Phoenix]

Yes

However, there are maybe ten or twelve guys worldwide with home CRT edge blend rigs, and another two or three in the planning stage, so don't stay up late waiting for the phone to ring.......


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[CIR Engineering]

Hi Larry,

How does one order the programming for this box. I saw that it can be down loaded or sent on SSD material, but how do you actually order the 4k content. Also, is there a price list for material some place?

I am interested...

craigr

[larryk]

There are still a lot of unanswered questions however I've done my best to slog through the more than 50 pages of forum announcements and questions so far. From what I can tell, there will be a number of ways that you can obtain 4K material to view. Each provider ranging from small independent filmmakers to major studios can set up their distribution the way that they want to. The provider only needs to upload their movie, short, music video, series, etc to the Odemax servers free of charge, then they can set the price to view it as well as adjust it's playable options from full access, right down to single viewing similar to pay per view. The provider keeps 70% and Odemax keeps 30% There are slightly different formulas for Theatres and some of that hasn't been announced yet but it will allow producers and endusers alike around the world to both distribute and view content. You don't need a 4K screen to use this service either. It will connect to anything from 720P up to 4K until you have 4K and, Get this! Theatrical quality 4K, streamed at 20Mb per second. If you don't have that much band width that's fine, it has a 1 terabyte drive that will hold about 100hours of 4K or you can use an external e-sata or USB-2 drive to store content.

Here are some links
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?90304-REDRAY-ODEMAX-Comments

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?90306-REDRAY-ODEMAX

odemax.com

[larryk]

There will be some kind of announcement at Sundance next month, likely announcing alliances and launch of the service. I think they are hinting about The Hobbit being involved as well. It was shot on Red Epic cameras and the new Crimson Projector will be a perfect fit to display the film in theatres. In Spring they will release the Home version of the projector, the Red Ray Laser 4k 3D, intended to be priced at under $10,000.00

[CIR Engineering]

Interesting, thanks Larry. The player its self seems reasonably priced. I will look for announcements on pricing in the future. I have quite a few clients that will be interested in this.

Will the service provide titles that are currently in theaters, or will home viewers have to wait until content is released on BD to be able to view the 4k (or any) material?

craigr

[larryk]

I don't know any more details and I'm not privy to any inside information, although I will keep my ear to the ground and update the thread if I get new info. As a filmmaker I am exited for the new opportunity to have films that I have worked on be seen world wide.
What I imagine is a bit of a shift in the way films are released. I anticipate that we will have access to far more independent films, foreign films, short form, Music, doc, etc,etc. in high quality 4K. There will undoubtably be a lot of stinkers mixed in the too but I can see free trailer and review services crop up to help weed them out. I also imagine that major feature films will be available, some very close to Theatrical release dates, some not to much.

I am really looking forward to the new home laser projector coming out in the spring. ! I know, there's been so called CRT killer after CRT killer that never materialized in the past, but this unit will be laser powered with up to 30,000hr light engine life span and no need to recalibrate. It will apparently be a scanning projector similar to CRT so you will also get perfect blacks, I haven't seen it yet but friends of mine saw it a NAB last spring and they said it was amazing. Then they found out later that it was only being displayed in 2K at that time. Red says they have made vast improvements since then and now it's working in full 4K. We'll see the big ones starting to hit theatres next month or February and the home versions in March although Red is notorious for missing deadlines.

Larry

[Spanky Ham]

[larryk]

Latest news about the projector is that the home version of the projector will have a fixed lens included. They had to rethink the lens thing being that it's a polarizing 3D system and they were having problems shooting an image backwards through coated camera lenses so they have developed a proprietary lens for it. You may be able to order different focal lengths depending on the throw you need but there's no info on that yet.

[Tim in Phoenix]

Hello

Do we have specs on the projectors yet?


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[larryk]

Well Red is keeping the exact specs of the projector quiet until it's close to release mainly because they know the rest of the industry is watching every move they make and they have been burned before. Here are the specs for the Red Ray Player which will be built into the projector. You need to ignore the colour bit depth though with respect to the projector because there will be no HDMI bandwidth limitations because it is an internal part of the projector. The only time you will use the external Red Ray player is if you are feeding a third party display.
Here are the specs of the external player copied from their website.


DIMENSIONS 316 × 61mm x 260 mm ( 12.4 × 2.4 × 10.2″ )
WEIGHT 5.9 Lbs
MATERIAL Aluminium
OPERATING TEMPS Zero to 40 C
STORAGE TEMPS Minus 5 to 60C
NOTABLE FEATURES Network based 4K 3D Playback System.
ADDITIONAL NOTES Unique to RED, this product is the only available 4K resolution signal source for Ultra HD flat panel dispays and 4K projectors, may also be used for digital signage applcations to drive up to four 1080p displays.
RESOLUTION Up to 4096 × 2160 pixels, 2D or 3D
BIT-DEPTH (COLOR) YCbCr 12-bit 4:2:2 or RGB 8-bit 4:4:4
COLORIMETRY ITU-R BT.709
PROGRAM OUTPUT 4K DCI, UltraHD, 1080p, 720p
PREVIEW OUTPUT 1080p, 720p
MEDIA SECURITY REDCrypt™ digital media encryption
DRM OPTIONS ODEMAX™ digital rights management
REMOTE CONTROL IR, 802.11n, Ethernet
GENLOCK RS170A Tri-level Sync
PLAYBACK FRAME RATES 24, 25, 30, 48, 50, 60 fps
DIGITAL MEDIA Internet download, SDCard or USB-2 flash media
VIDEO FILE FORMAT .RED (4K), .MP4 (1080p, 720p)
AUDIO FILE FORMAT .RED (up to 7.1 Ch) .MP4 (Stereo)
AUDIO OUTPUT Up to 7.1 channel LPCM, 24-bit 48Khz
OUTPUT CONNECTORS 4 x HDMI 1.4 (Program), 2 x HDMI 1.3 (Preview and Audio)
STORAGE CAPACITY 1TB Internal SATA Drive
POWER 120 – 240V 50 – 60Hz A.C.

[TheVerge]

[larryk]

It's not my math, I just quoted what Red is reporting from their working models of Red Ray.
Believe it or not, they are getting cinema quality 4K from that bandwidth which is less than Blu Ray. It's been running at even lower bit rates on 40 foot screens for their demos and people who have seen it have been blown away by the high image. One has to begin to look at things differently when considering what Red is capable of.

Larry

[Phoenixed]

Reinventing the driver not the wheel.