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laglute
Joined: 13 Nov 2012
Posts: 6
Location: France
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Forgot to tell owner wants to sell HDFury1 AND gammaX plug at a 145$ cost ( 2 items ). Is it interesting ? All of my questions can look stupid, but i slipped away PJ technology for a long time, so i have to learn a lot about it now : i stopped with my Sony 1031 technology/DVD player entry level Pioneer 525, don't laugh...
I know gamma level can be set into DVD/BR player, but the advantage of GammaX board is that is done AFTER PJ and so, it won't "hurt" tubes, contrary DVD/BR player which is BEFORE CRT.
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gjaky
Joined: 05 Jun 2010
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Location: Budapest, Hungary
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| laglute wrote: | Forgot to tell owner wants to sell HDFury1 AND gammaX plug at a 145$ cost ( 2 items ). Is it interesting ? All of my questions can look stupid, but i slipped away PJ technology for a long time, so i have to learn a lot about it now : i stopped with my Sony 1031 technology/DVD player entry level Pioneer 525, don't laugh...
I know gamma level can be set into DVD/BR player, but the advantage of GammaX board is that is done AFTER PJ and so, it won't "hurt" tubes, contrary DVD/BR player which is BEFORE CRT. |
I don't know about gammaX but, but there is a german guy who sells (on this forum) a HDFury1 for 50€... To my understanding the gammaX is also before the CRT and not after.
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laglute
Joined: 13 Nov 2012
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Location: France
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| gjaky wrote: | | laglute wrote: | Forgot to tell owner wants to sell HDFury1 AND gammaX plug at a 145$ cost ( 2 items ). Is it interesting ? All of my questions can look stupid, but i slipped away PJ technology for a long time, so i have to learn a lot about it now : i stopped with my Sony 1031 technology/DVD player entry level Pioneer 525, don't laugh...
I know gamma level can be set into DVD/BR player, but the advantage of GammaX board is that is done AFTER PJ and so, it won't "hurt" tubes, contrary DVD/BR player which is BEFORE CRT. |
I don't know about gammaX but, but there is a german guy who sells (on this forum) a HDFury1 for 50€... To my understanding the gammaX is also before the CRT and not after. |
Seller told me the opposite and use it as well. In Curt Palm's products is it said that GammaX allows RGB signal so i think plug after HDfury is possible.
See link below :
http://www.curtpalme.com/GammaX.shtm
Pfff, sometimes, when you've been out for a long time, it's complicated...
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draganm
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
Posts: 8990
Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Dragan, still coming in here trying to claim how insuperior NEC machines are i see... How much heat builds up in a brand new unused board? Think about that, then once youve done a couple cobwebs, you might understand why the capacitors leak. Its not just Rubycons, its not just Nichicons, and it sure as sh## isnt limited to the years you stated |
insuperior? that's not an even a word. No wonder communication here is impossible, practically illiterate posting. the word is inferior, and unless the the Rubycon caps NEC used were somehow magically different than the Rubycons Electrohome installed, Rubycons that lasted for decades and tens of thousands of hours without leaking, then yes the NEC design is inferior. They shrunk the machine down by 30% or so from a typical 8 inch machine, so parts are running hot.
You can blame Rubycon or whoever you like for using inferior materials, but a board that runs hot will cause the AL electrolytic capacitors to build up pressure and swell.
| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | PS... Are you quoting GJaky and having a shot at me? |
Is it any wonder? back up your claim with some hard evidence. Otherwise it's just another opinion worth nothing.
I have more than an opinion, I've actually looked at those so-called defective Rubycons from 1995 thru 2000, out of a few thousand maybe 3 dozen leaked. Not claiming they were top quality, or that their performance after 30K hours was still within spec., but they weren't blowing oil out of the bottom like they are in a low hour NEC deflection board.
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gjaky
Joined: 05 Jun 2010
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Location: Budapest, Hungary
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I have more than an opinion, I've actually looked at those so-called defective Rubycons from 1995 thru 2000, out of a few thousand maybe 3 dozen leaked. Not claiming they were top quality, or that their performance after 30K hours was still within spec., but they weren't blowing oil out of the bottom like they are in a low hour NEC deflection board.
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So what? 10 years ago no one heard about bad caps in a NEC, so then the NEC boards weren't driven that hard?
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:01 am Post subject: |
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Ill qualify it for you now Dragan. They leak with ZERO USE. After claiming my english isnt up to scratch, you should have no trouble understanding that. Ill add in some maths theory for you now too. Zero use is equal to zero operational heat stress. Rubycons and Nichicons still leaked, as did others, from as far up as 2000.
Rubycons werent the only ones used, Nichicon were just as common, and leaked just as much. Wasnt it 85° caps in the Electrohome? Not the same if thats the case, isnt that one of your so called mods?
Why is an NEC inferior if it has a substantially better picture than an unmodded Electrohome from the same era? Interesting theory!!
| gjaky wrote: | | Quote: | I have more than an opinion, I've actually looked at those so-called defective Rubycons from 1995 thru 2000, out of a few thousand maybe 3 dozen leaked. Not claiming they were top quality, or that their performance after 30K hours was still within spec., but they weren't blowing oil out of the bottom like they are in a low hour NEC deflection board.
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So what? 10 years ago no one heard about bad caps in a NEC, so then the NEC boards weren't driven that hard? |
Exactly.  They got lazy in their old age and need to be flogged hard
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macgyver655
Joined: 22 Aug 2007
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I'm curious as to how many NEC PG boards someone would have to have repaired to be able to give a sufficient answer to the cap quality?
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draganm
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Rubycons werent the only ones used, Nichicon were just as common, and leaked just as much. Wasnt it 85° caps in the Electrohome? Not the same if thats the case, isnt that one of your so called mods? ) |
yes, the marquee uses 85c's almost exclusively, and the nec's were all 105c's. So if your theory is that the higher temp caps had an issue then fine,
I don't know why if I post here " I took this apart and found this" all of sudden it's YOUR AN NEC HATER WHO JUST THINKS MARQUEE'S ARE THE BEST.
I think the nec's are smaller , a little noisier , and throw a fine picture. I never told the OP to go look for a marquee instead. It's ludicrous to sit here and argue about a technology no one else even gives 2-shits about. even stuck indoors for a 4-day holiday there's better things to do
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CasetheCorvetteman
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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Location: Australia
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Im not arguing at all, im telling you you theory on leaking caps is incorrect.
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Mr. Green
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Posts: 1394
Location: Calgary
TV/Projector: Marquee 9501LC / NEC 9PG+
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:46 am Post subject: |
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Hi laglute,
It seems this thread has gone sideways in a cap measuring contest. lol Case and Dragann are both very knowledgeable
, but seem to have lost the fact that you are looking for advice on the projector you wish to purchase. I do find everyone loves what they have; Dragann is Marquee master and Case is the NEC guru. I have both and like them both for different reasons. The best/worst list isn't perfect due to personal preference, but it does help. I do think if you can find parts for the Xtra (Curt should know what he has seen lately and hopefully will advise if it's worth getting) then you should go for it.
I have not seen a cine 7 in action so can't comment, but based on specs and previous posts the PGXtra should outperform leaps and bounds. I wanted one originally, but went PG+ due to cost and parts availability. I'm told the Xtra is a better unit if you get a good one.
As mentioned above, tube life will be key with this unit. The guy might be getting rid of it because something isn't working anymore and he doesn't want to invest time and money in it or is like many who go digital out of laziness (poke poke..lol). The only major issue with mine was the point board died on me, but it forced me to do a proper mechanical setup and I ended up happier overall.
I have seen the 801s in action and I'll say the PG+ blows it out of the water (don't care about comments on planetary alignment and setup and source, blah blah blah. yes I've been into the whiskey - potty training my son so am allowed. lol) so if you liked it, you'll love the xtra.
Anyways, the NEC's are more work, but after having the marquee I do miss all the control I have with the NEC. It's also not that hard to learn either compared to other models. CRT is hard vs digital. Since you have experience with CRT, the NEC isn't going to be a big stretch for you. I've heard for some the NEC is a way to refresh their love of CRT because they are new and challenging compared to what they are used to. I have yet to get a PM from someone saying they hate their NEC that they bought because of my glowing reviews of them.
As far as the mounts; for all the bolts, it all comes down to 2 horizontal pegs and "C" slots they hook up to so I wouldn't worry too much. I've spent years under mine and it doesn't bother me at all. I PM'd you a suggestion for a mount idea.
I'd hope both are still available so hopefully you still can choose. Did you ever pick one up? I do apologize for the late reply. I haven't been around much in many months. Please repeat any questions you still have regarding your potential purchase and I'll help as much as I can.
At the end of the day, if it fires up, the tubes are clean and there's a remote and it's worth it to you for the price, I'd grab the xtra. I personally pay a premium for Curt's and others here products and services, so not sure how well a private sale will go for you.
Get any fury and box 1040 (whatever I have) and it takes it to a new level.
Please keep the thread going and let us know what else you need.
Cheers,
Chris
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