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freidich
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:52 am Post subject: High resolution (>1920x1080) video on nec xg135LC |
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So according to the specs, this projector and many others are capable of displaying 2500x2000 resolution (in theory). How can you do this in practice? I'd like to display 2560x1080 movies (cinema wide aspect ratio) from my laptop. Is such a thing possible and what would I need to do so?
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Nashou66
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Cinema wide is an aspect ratio, and thats all it is, its not any one given resolution, its any resolution that fits either 2.35:1 or 2.4:1, both of which are a cinema wide aspect ratio.
What he is stating he wants to do is upscale the 1920x817 movie content to 2560x1080, which is a 2.37:1 aspect ratio, and is cinema wide.
While the projector will display it, itll probably be quite soft with that horizontal resolution, but nothing to stop you trying it, people were and still are upscaling VHS and DVD for years so why not bluray too?
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And videogames.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:04 am Post subject: |
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I dont upscale those, i love the scanlines of 240p for retro purposes 
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Totally forgot you're a videogame purist, my bad.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:27 am Post subject: |
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No problem, honest mistake 
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:28 am Post subject: |
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The only place I've ever heard the term "cinema wide" is in Vizio's marketing materials... Their trade name for their 21:9 TV is "CinemaWide". The panel is 2560x1080, so I'd imagine this is what the OP is talking about.
http://www.vizio.com/cinemawide/overview
| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | but nothing to stop you trying it, people were and still are upscaling VHS and DVD for years so why not bluray too? |
Why not? Because there's no good reason to. Upscaling VHS and DVD had a distinct and useful purpose. Upscaling Blu-ray to 2560x1080 not only has no useful purpose, but would almost certainly be a detriment to PQ on practically anything but a 9" blend.
I don't think this is gaming-related, as the OP is talking about a laptop. I'm not aware of any laptops with video cards hard core enough that they'd be good for gaming at 2560x1080. A lot of desktop video cards are sucking wind at that resolution for 3D.
Freidich, as Nashou correctly pointed out, Blu-ray (which is for all practical purposes the best source available) movies that are 2.40:1 aspect ratio (or what some people call colloquially "cinemascope"), are encoded with black bars above and below the active video area, so 1920x800. There's really no practical reason to scale beyond that because there are technically no 2560x1080 movies.
The digital manufacturers like Vizio do it so they can display a standard 1080p Blu-ray or easy bob/weave 1080i-to1080p upscale and display it pillarboxed on the middle of the screen. Then, when you want to display a "scope" (or 2.40:1 film), they crop the black bars and enlarge the image to fit.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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I agree there is no point on his machine, but it could be done. Who knows, he might like how it looks!!
I have a number of blurays here that are 2.35:1, infact i have more at that ratio than at 2.4:1.
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freidich
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Thanks for the responses. Yes I am using a laptop and yes I was referencing the Vizio 21:9, only because it is the only commercially available 21:9 TV that I know of. I did not intend to upscale any content, moreover I was hoping that one day we will be able to get content in 21:9 at full HD, i.e. 2560 by 1080. I anticipate this happening rather soon as Blu-rays can already handle the additional data necessary with ease. Also, to any of you interested in custom aspect ratios and resolutions, check out this awesome program I just found called powerstrip. http://www.techbirdy.com/2010/12/31/how-to-add-custom-resolution-in-windows-using-powerstrip/
My laptop is 16:10, so when connecting via vga to rgbhv, it wanted to uses 1920 by 1200 or 1280 by 800, not ideal for video. With this program I was able to set up custom "monitor" resolutions with full control over the frame rate, interlacing, and other settings. It's frustrating at first but once you figure it out it is quite simple (hint: save the settings as display profiles and "lock" the settings for each profile). Let me know what you guys think of powerstrip or if you already use something else that is better!
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freidich
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Also, would a moome internal be a huge benefit over vga to rgbhv?
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| freidich wrote: | | Also, would a moome internal be a huge benefit over vga to rgbhv? |
If you use PC as main source, then I don't think so
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:27 am Post subject: |
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I just use the nVIDIA control panel.
Philips had the first 21:9 TV on the market.
I dont reckon youll ever get any benefit with a moome internal over RGB-HV, youll get as much or more from the analog input.
There will be no EDID stopping you from doing whatever resolution you like, with the moome youll be limited to 1920x1080 i think as max.
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freidich
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So then why are they so popular? I hope you are right, as that will save me a couple hundred bucks. Is it just because people want to use hdmi as a source from a blu-ray player or cable box or ps3? And yes I believe it is limited to 1080p, but that is because it is hdmi 1.3; I believe hdmi 1.4 has a much higher limit and moome could one day release an hdmi 1.4 card.
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freidich
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Also i just checked out nvidia control panel, it appears to be easier to use. The program I listed was first released over a decade ago so thankfully its features are now standard.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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In your case its not required, its needed for connecting a bluray player up directly etc.
Youll see no benefits that i can think of. Ive got in in mine, but it was there when i got it.
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janzy
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If you want to get away from solely using your laptop consider a processor.
You can pick up a good one for relatively short money.
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Nashou66
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| freidich wrote: | Thanks for the responses. Yes I am using a laptop and yes I was referencing the Vizio 21:9, only because it is the only commercially available 21:9 TV that I know of. I did not intend to upscale any content, moreover I was hoping that one day we will be able to get content in 21:9 at full HD, i.e. 2560 by 1080. I anticipate this happening rather soon as Blu-rays can already handle the additional data necessary with ease. Also, to any of you interested in custom aspect ratios and resolutions, check out this awesome program I just found called powerstrip. http://www.techbirdy.com/2010/12/31/how-to-add-custom-resolution-in-windows-using-powerstrip/
My laptop is 16:10, so when connecting via vga to rgbhv, it wanted to uses 1920 by 1200 or 1280 by 800, not ideal for video. With this program I was able to set up custom "monitor" resolutions with full control over the frame rate, interlacing, and other settings. It's frustrating at first but once you figure it out it is quite simple (hint: save the settings as display profiles and "lock" the settings for each profile). Let me know what you guys think of powerstrip or if you already use something else that is better! |
Full HD is 1920x1080 for 16:9 aspect. Full HD is 1920x800 for 2.40:1. The 140 pixels above and below the 2.4 aspect movie are useless so why would you want to resolve it? Free up the bandwidth in the Projector by just going 1920x800 for 2.4(scope or Cinewide). then you can up the re fresh rate to 72h2 for smoother pans.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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What about the rest that make up the 2.35:1?
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freidich
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Thanks Nashou, that's exactly what I'm going to do. And I have no need to abandon using my laptop; I have a usb tuner for OTA HD, a blu ray drive, and streaming access to Fios cable.
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