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Guys
The city puts stuff in the water supply, I'm thinking it might be silicone 
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| Tom.W wrote: | So what Dune player would you guys recommend for an external 6Tb hard drive ?
Nice job Craig and a great post ! |
Thanks!
The cheapest DUNE that does everything (except 3D iso) is the "HD Smart H1." I personally would not buy a model with an optical disc player on board.
If I were buying a current model, I would get the "HD Duo." You can install two HD's directly into the DUO that are hot swappable. I think (not sure) the DUO can take 3TB drives, so you could even have 6TB on board.
When I started this out, I used the HD bay in the Base 3.0 as a hot swappable for a pile of 2TB hard drives. Cool thing about DUNE as well is that it can work as an SMB server. So if you have hard discs in the DUNE, other devices on your network can see and use the discs.
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | Nice build craig... Very neat!
So do you rip all your BR discs to hard drive by creating an iso? |
I use ISO for TV series and I usually use BD folder structure for movies.
Most movies I rip "movie only," and I just keep the HD audio track (if there is one). I keep all English subs that are on the disc.
I use ISO for TV series because yaDIS doesn't work with folder structure properly on TV series. So BD iso or individual episodes is the only way to make it work.
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | So what Dune player would you guys recommend for an external 6Tb hard drive ?
Nice job Craig and a great post ! |
Thanks!
The cheapest DUNE that does everything (except 3D iso) is the "HD Smart H1." I personally would not buy a model with an optical disc player on board.
If I were buying a current model, I would get the "HD Duo." You can install two HD's directly into the DUO that are hot swappable. I think (not sure) the DUO can take 3TB drives, so you could even have 6TB on board.
When I started this out, I used the HD bay in the Base 3.0 as a hot swappable for a pile of 2TB hard drives. Cool thing about DUNE as well is that it can work as an SMB server. So if you have hard discs in the DUNE, other devices on your network can see and use the discs.
craigr |
That would appear to be a perfect solution to have two 3Tb drives. Any reason it wouldn't work ?
Being able to use two of these would be even better...
http://www.amazon.com/HGST-Deskstar-3-5-Inch-Internal-0S03355/dp/B005TK3HNI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1350577213&sr=8-3&keywords=4tb+hard+drive
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I would check to see if the DUNE supports 4TB drives or not. I don't know anyone who has tried them yet.
One other thing, the 4TB drives you linked to are 7200 RPM. These drives use more power, are louder, get hotter, and may not last as long as lower RPM drives designed for media use or "green" use. The inside of your DUNE may get quite hot with 2x 7200 RPM drives.
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I've been using FreeNAS, but I have been experimenting with NAS4Free the past couple days. NAS4Free uses a much newer ZFS version, seems more advanced, and actually seems easier to use. I kind of wish I had started with NAS4Free.
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Does the latest Dune HD DUO support raid configuration between the two internal drives ?
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| Tom.W wrote: | | Does the latest Dune HD DUO support raid configuration between the two internal drives ? |
I seriously doubt it.
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I have never seen NAS4Free before. I was thinking of an un-raid server myself only because I have HDD's in different sizes and makers.
Looks like a great option though.
Great work on the server Craig.
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| Tom.W wrote: | | Does the latest Dune HD DUO support raid configuration between the two internal drives ? |
However, if you use a GUI interface like yaDIS, it will use both HD's as libraries and integrate them onto one movie wall. My last NAS was a NV+ that had 4x 2TB HD's. I had each hard drive setup as a single drive without redundancy because I wanted to maximize space for movies. Having 2x HD's in a DUNE Duo would be the same concept. It would work fine.
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| CxTurbo wrote: | I have never seen NAS4Free before. I was thinking of an un-raid server myself only because I have HDD's in different sizes and makers.
Looks like a great option though.
Great work on the server Craig. |
Thanks,
Yeah, evidently NAS4Free is the true continuation of the old FreeNAS after the two split when Oracle or whoever stopped support or something. NAS4Free does not require nearly as powerful hardware either, but it seems to have better capability.
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So I upgraded to FreeNASS version 8.3 release and also upgraded my zfs pool to version 28. All was pretty easy and I am really impressed with this public operating system.
I also put my SSD drive into the NAS where my movie wall data is stored. All three DUNEs can now access the library very quickly. Not quite as quick as if the library is located on the DUNE, but plenty fast enough. To do this I had to add a 2-port sata III card through the PCIe slot. Again, FreeNAS worked with the new sata card without me having to set anything up. It was totally plug and play.
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I have been looking more into NAS4FREE but wish it had a parity drive option in JABOD mode. It is realy the only thing stopping me running it. Looks like UnRaid is my best option and the liscense fee is not all that bad. The Parity option will help me sleep a wee bit better after all the work that has gone into my library so far. I have about 300 mare DVD's to go and am adding new BD'S as they come out.
I have a line on a Dual AMD Quad server with 8GB of ram and 8 hotswap HDD's and has 2 250GB SCSI in the 2RU case. Killer server with redundant 750W PS's. Overkill but so bad ass at the same time. Dual GB Lan is also a plus 8) hope I can pick it up at a resonable deal.
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| CxTurbo wrote: | | I have been looking more into NAS4FREE but wish it had a parity drive option in JABOD mode. It is realy the only thing stopping me running it. Looks like UnRaid is my best option and the liscense fee is not all that bad. The Parity option will help me sleep a wee bit better after all the work that has gone into my library so far. I have about 300 mare DVD's to go and am adding new BD'S as they come out. |
Why do you want to run JABOD over zfs? With zfs RaidZ1 I have one redundant parity drive and all the discs show up as one gigantic drive on my network. So it is like JABOD in that all discs combined into one, but it has parity.
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | Why do you want to run JABOD over zfs? With zfs RaidZ1 I have one redundant parity drive and all the discs show up as one gigantic drive on my network. So it is like JABOD in that all discs combined into one, but it has parity.
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I was under the impression that all the drives were required to be the same type,size and speed for that to work? Was I wrong? Not like that has NEVER happend before, LOL!
I had been buying whatever was on sale and available at that time never thinking of a server. So now I have 3 2TB Deskstars and a 1GB WD.
If ZFS will work in RAIDZ1 with my HDD's then that will work just fine for me 8)
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Craig it be cool if you did a step by step of how to go about doing all this. When i to comes to this stuff I am a bit intimidated.
Nashou |
Well...
This stuff can be difficult and I am not an expert on it either. You could probably pull this off if you have windows experience and have also built a PC before. However, having experience with an OS that uses command prompt is also beneficial. There are some things that you just can't do in FreeNAS without some command prompt input. That being said, you could do almost anything, and you can get help with specific commands by searching the FreeNAS forums and also asking questions.
A server like this doesn't require state of the art hardware or really very much processing power. In many ways, using some older hardware is a good move because it is more likely to be supported in a current version of FreeBSD (Linux NAS os).
It is also a good idea to buy your hardware from some place that accepts returns in case some piece of the puzzle can't be made to fit. I went with really basic stuff and I got almost all of it from Newegg. Here is a parts list.
1) Verbatim 4GB USB Drive: This is what FreeNAS is installed on ($7).
2) MSI 880GMS-E41 (FX) AM3+: Motherboard; cheapest I could find that supports 6x SATAv3 ports AMD from a reputable brand ($55).
3) AMD Athlon II X2 260 Regor 3.2GHz: Cheapest AMD dual core on Newegg ($60).
4) G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB: Inexpensive high quality ram ($38).
5) CORSAIR CX500 500W PS: Inexpensive high quality PS ($35).
6) Western Digital Green 3TB HD: I didn't buy these from newegg because they are cheaper else ware.
If you use Western Digital Green hard drives it is very important to learn about a utility called WDIdle3.exe. This is a program that runs on DOS (from a boot disc) that lets you adjust the WD BIOS so that the drives don't "park" their heads too often. WD green drives are set to part their heads after just 8 seconds. Linux writes to the HD's every 10 seconds or so. This forces the drives to constantly reengage the heads which will lead to premature HD failure. WD specifies that the number of parks before failure (MTBF) is 300,000 times. This can be reached in just a couple years if your NAS is on 24/7. I completely disabled the head parking feature on my drives.
Every build is different so a step by step won't really work well. I didn't want to have a CDROM drive so I did the install directly from an active "img" file to the USB disc. I did this on a Windows machine and then just plugged the USB stick with OS into the NAS. That was it. Once installed, the NAS booted up and recognized all of my hardware. Once that is done, you log into the NAS through a web browser via the NAS IP address (just like setting up a router). Once in the GUI you setup your zpool (hard discs), create shares (dives visible on the network), and assign users (user name and password for your media players and you).
In a nutshell, that's it.
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Craig, most of the info I have read on freenas.org encourages Raid-Z2 with very large drives ( 3TB) as you are totally unprotected during the rebuild of a Raid Z1, this can take 16-20 hours in some cases. The Raid Z2 is slightly slower but still able to easily max out a Gigabit network connection. Another suggestion is to buy drives from different batches to minimize risk of batch specific failures taking out multiple drives in a short timeframe.
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| jask wrote: | | Craig, most of the info I have read on freenas.org encourages Raid-Z2 with very large drives ( 3TB) as you are totally unprotected during the rebuild of a Raid Z1, this can take 16-20 hours in some cases. The Raid Z2 is slightly slower but still able to easily max out a Gigabit network connection. Another suggestion is to buy drives from different batches to minimize risk of batch specific failures taking out multiple drives in a short timeframe. |
I have read all the same stuff. RaidZ1 is most optimized with 3, 5, or 9 HD's, but I simply don't care. My NAS runs faster than my network can, even with my less than optimal RaidZ1 using six drives. I could see why this might be important if I had a server in an environment with many users, but mine is serving HD video to at most two clients at once. Theoretically I can serve HD video to 25 clients at once with my current config.
I also read about using different drives from different batches and different manufacturers as well. I also read that using drives mixed from different manufacturers can have a negative impact on performance. I also decided not to worry about using different batches.
If I were backing up data that was not replaceable, I would be more concerned. However, this server is for BD and DVD rips so the data can be replaced. It would be some work, but in the end I can recreate all the data. So for me, one parity drive (redundant) drive was already plenty. I thought about running the NAS without any parity drive as I did with my last NAS. For me, it's not worth buying two extra 3TB drives to sit there using power to backup data that can be replaced. It's not worth the extra money to me to have so many redundant drives.
Even if I had eight or nine drives I still would use Z1. I think the folks over at the FreeNAS forums are a little crazzy about being perfectionists with a NAS setup... kind of like we are with home theater. In the end, the NAS is not a hobby for me, it's just a big thing that my movies are stored on
Oh, and I did replace one hard drive just to see how long it would take to resilver (rebuild) the array. With the drive half full it took a little less than six hours.
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| CIR Engineering wrote: | I think the folks over at the FreeNAS forums are a little crazzy about being perfectionists with a NAS setup... kind of like we are with home theater.
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