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kal
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| ecrabb wrote: | I'm no big fan of the studios (in general), but regardless of whether they're making a ton of money churning out derivative crap, or forcing me to watch 13 trailers on a disc I bought, what about any of that makes you think it's somehow OK to "fileshare", i.e. steal, the movies?
I've downloaded a few things in my time, so I'm not "without sin" myself, but let's stop the rationalization. You're simply stealing the movie and that's that. Or, am I missing something? |
+1.
If everyone did it there wouldn't be any movies to purchase. There will likely always be enough honest people to purchase movies so that'll never happen, but please don't try to make yourself feel better by saying "they're rich enough - they won't notice what I stole" as that's illogical.
Stealing doesn't become "correct" if the person you're stealing from happens to be worth at least a certain amount of money. I can't imagine a thief arguing in court: "But judge, the guy I was stealing from is rich - he can afford it" and the judge saying "oh, you're right ... in that case you can keep the car you stole from him".
That scenario seems ridiculous since it's pushed to the extreme but the same logic holds true here as it's really the same thing. It doesn't matter if you steal something worth $1 or $10,000 or if the owner is worth $10 or $10 million. It doesn't matter if the item stolen is something physical or digital media. Irrelevant.
It's stealing plain and simple. It's really that black and white. Don't like a movie? Don't buy or rent it. Or just steal it and shut up about it. Don't try to explain to yourself why it's actually "ok".
If you worked hard (for years) to create some digital content and were selling it, I would 100% bet you'd be pissed off to know that a certain percentage of people were stealing it. Even if it was only %1. I know I would be.
I'm Canadian myself.
Kal
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thewolfman
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately a few beers set me off in the wrong direction, not angry or anything, just chatty as one gets over a few beers.
| kal wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: | I'm no big fan of the studios (in general), but regardless of whether they're making a ton of money churning out derivative crap, or forcing me to watch 13 trailers on a disc I bought, what about any of that makes you think it's somehow OK to "fileshare", i.e. steal, the movies?
I've downloaded a few things in my time, so I'm not "without sin" myself, but let's stop the rationalization. You're simply stealing the movie and that's that. Or, am I missing something? |
+1.
If everyone did it there wouldn't be any movies to purchase. There will likely always be enough honest people to purchase movies so that'll never happen, but please don't try to make yourself feel better by saying "they're rich enough - they won't notice what I stole" as that's illogical.
Stealing doesn't become "correct" if the person you're stealing from happens to be worth at least a certain amount of money. I can't imagine a thief arguing in court: "But judge, the guy I was stealing from is rich - he can afford it" and the judge saying "oh, you're right ... in that case you can keep the car you stole from him".
That scenario seems ridiculous since it's pushed to the extreme but the same logic holds true here as it's really the same thing. It doesn't matter if you steal something worth $1 or $10,000 or if the owner is worth $10 or $10 million. It doesn't matter if the item stolen is something physical or digital media. Irrelevant.
It's stealing plain and simple. It's really that black and white. Don't like a movie? Don't buy or rent it. Or just steal it and shut up about it. Don't try to explain to yourself why it's actually "ok".
If you worked hard (for years) to create some digital content and were selling it, I would 100% bet you'd be pissed off to know that a certain percentage of people were stealing it. Even if it was only %1. I know I would be.
I'm Canadian myself.
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't see where it said anything about pirating in his first messages. He could of been very legitimate. Since he is from a different country he could of very well had a legit copy. Many movies and DVD's are released in other countries before the US.
Every one "assumed" he downloaded, just because the US release was not here yet.
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stridsvognen
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Ohh no.. a beer drinking swedish guy with a keyboard.. that can only mean trouble.. 
I buy all my movies on disc.. new or used.. I prefer quality.. I'm with Kal and ecrabb about the stealing part.. No matter how rich the guy is.
Im Danish..
| thewolfman wrote: | Unfortunately a few beers set me off in the wrong direction, not angry or anything, just chatty as one gets over a few beers.
| kal wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: | I'm no big fan of the studios (in general), but regardless of whether they're making a ton of money churning out derivative crap, or forcing me to watch 13 trailers on a disc I bought, what about any of that makes you think it's somehow OK to "fileshare", i.e. steal, the movies?
I've downloaded a few things in my time, so I'm not "without sin" myself, but let's stop the rationalization. You're simply stealing the movie and that's that. Or, am I missing something? |
+1.
If everyone did it there wouldn't be any movies to purchase. There will likely always be enough honest people to purchase movies so that'll never happen, but please don't try to make yourself feel better by saying "they're rich enough - they won't notice what I stole" as that's illogical.
Stealing doesn't become "correct" if the person you're stealing from happens to be worth at least a certain amount of money. I can't imagine a thief arguing in court: "But judge, the guy I was stealing from is rich - he can afford it" and the judge saying "oh, you're right ... in that case you can keep the car you stole from him".
That scenario seems ridiculous since it's pushed to the extreme but the same logic holds true here as it's really the same thing. It doesn't matter if you steal something worth $1 or $10,000 or if the owner is worth $10 or $10 million. It doesn't matter if the item stolen is something physical or digital media. Irrelevant.
It's stealing plain and simple. It's really that black and white. Don't like a movie? Don't buy or rent it. Or just steal it and shut up about it. Don't try to explain to yourself why it's actually "ok".
If you worked hard (for years) to create some digital content and were selling it, I would 100% bet you'd be pissed off to know that a certain percentage of people were stealing it. Even if it was only %1. I know I would be.
I'm Canadian myself.
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thewolfman
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Gi' mig en øl for helvede! 
| stridsvognen wrote: | Ohh no.. a beer drinking swedish guy with a keyboard.. that can only mean trouble..
I buy all my movies on disc.. new or used.. I prefer quality.. I'm with Kal and ecrabb about the stealing part.. No matter how rich the guy is.
Im Danish..
| thewolfman wrote: | Unfortunately a few beers set me off in the wrong direction, not angry or anything, just chatty as one gets over a few beers.
| kal wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: | I'm no big fan of the studios (in general), but regardless of whether they're making a ton of money churning out derivative crap, or forcing me to watch 13 trailers on a disc I bought, what about any of that makes you think it's somehow OK to "fileshare", i.e. steal, the movies?
I've downloaded a few things in my time, so I'm not "without sin" myself, but let's stop the rationalization. You're simply stealing the movie and that's that. Or, am I missing something? |
+1.
If everyone did it there wouldn't be any movies to purchase. There will likely always be enough honest people to purchase movies so that'll never happen, but please don't try to make yourself feel better by saying "they're rich enough - they won't notice what I stole" as that's illogical.
Stealing doesn't become "correct" if the person you're stealing from happens to be worth at least a certain amount of money. I can't imagine a thief arguing in court: "But judge, the guy I was stealing from is rich - he can afford it" and the judge saying "oh, you're right ... in that case you can keep the car you stole from him".
That scenario seems ridiculous since it's pushed to the extreme but the same logic holds true here as it's really the same thing. It doesn't matter if you steal something worth $1 or $10,000 or if the owner is worth $10 or $10 million. It doesn't matter if the item stolen is something physical or digital media. Irrelevant.
It's stealing plain and simple. It's really that black and white. Don't like a movie? Don't buy or rent it. Or just steal it and shut up about it. Don't try to explain to yourself why it's actually "ok".
If you worked hard (for years) to create some digital content and were selling it, I would 100% bet you'd be pissed off to know that a certain percentage of people were stealing it. Even if it was only %1. I know I would be.
I'm Canadian myself.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| macgyver655 wrote: | I didn't see where it said anything about pirating in his first messages. He could of been very legitimate. Since he is from a different country he could of very well had a legit copy. Many movies and DVD's are released in other countries before the US.
Every one "assumed" he downloaded, just because the US release was not here yet. |
Couldnt agree more. Even if he did download it, he may have done so legally. Sharing laws also vary throughout the world.
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fefrank
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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I have repented of this horrible thing such as filesharing. Ever since my neighbor got 15 years in federal prison. With a fine of 250,000$ a movie. It's been 5 years since then, and he is still in jail while I've enjoyed hundreds of movies I've bought since then. That's all I have to say 
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jask
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Hey Wolfman, what if you come home one day and find someone has "contentshared" your house while you were away? I am guessing you have a good job and can afford to replace all that stuff anyway- right?
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Norway, Austrailia and Sweden the top 3 countries with the highest quality of life. ENJOY !
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:00 am Post subject: |
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I havent downloaded any movies in about 4 years, and back then i was downloading the movies i had on VHS, so i owned them anyway. Who cares.
15 yrs in jail is rediculous, he mustve done alot more than file sharing, how many people in this world fileshare?? 70%? 80%? More?? Probably. So dont be hypocrits.
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thewolfman
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your input ya’ll, but still not guilty of anything.
You know, I had a girlfriend some year in back and while so beautiful, she also has a more beautiful younger sister. Well, allow me your honors, that teasing little bitch had it in for me and tried to seduce me, and as much as she tried (without actually doing anything except exposing herself) I made a move on her one day. Well, only to be told on later by little hussy. That being said, I still like the Australians, because that’s where she moved on to later, the little two timing bitch. Harlot.
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CRT_Ben
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| thewolfman wrote: | | You know, I had a girlfriend some year in back and while so beautiful, she also has a more beautiful younger sister. Well, allow me your honors, that teasing little bitch had it in for me and tried to seduce me, and as much as she tried (without actually doing anything except exposing herself) I made a move on her one day. Well, only to be told on later by little hussy. That being said, I still like the Australians, because that’s where she moved on to later, the little two timing bitch. Harlot. |
While really entertaining, what does this story have to do with filesharing, or the original topic? 
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thewolfman
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:50 am Post subject: |
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The story is sort of an inside yoke, one of the members happens to be a happy camper and an Australian citizen, and thought I would lighten things up with a true story.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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I thought it was a pretty good story myself!! I had abit of a laugh at it.
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CRT_Ben
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| thewolfman wrote: | | What has your remarc got anything to do with the orginal topic yourself? The topic was about pale blue and vivid white. That's it. |
Chill out...it's your thread, and you can do whatever you want. The original topic has been deleted by you, and the topic is now filesharing...I'm just wondering where the girlfriend story came from, because it seemed to me out of the "pale blue". I didn't (and don't) understand the connection, that's all...
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Jeremy112
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:00 am Post subject: |
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I would have to say its ok to download movies, only if you own those movies, and are downloading the equivalant quality of the movie (ie a HD movie, then a HD DVD or blu ray and so on..)
I like having digital backups of my movies, but I prefer owning the physical media for it, nothing better than the actual disc, short of the film it came from itself.
Afterall, whats the point of a $1000+ home theater setup if you are just downloading crap quality video 
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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15 yrs in jail is rediculous, he mustve done alot more than file sharing, how many people in this world fileshare?? 70%? 80%? More?? Probably. So dont be hypocrits.[/quote
The only thing he did that I know of is give movies to friends and family. And neighbors JK. But I am sure there is a little more to the story that I don't know. But the point is that the main reason he got caught was because the International Maritime Bureau (IMB) got an email address and IP Address several times from his location, and that gave them the warrant to start their investigation. I remember the morning of the incident, 2 police cars and a black Ford Crown victoria on his driveway and the people just went inside after like a minute of explaining the reason they were there. 30 minutes later they came out with closed black box and his computer. I was mowing my lawn at the time. So I saw the whole thing. Little did I know what everything was all about until they got him in handcufs, the police took him and his wife after they left, told me the whole story trying to fight the cries.
I feel bad for the guy and his family, becuase of such a simple thing his life is ruined and his kids basically don't know anything about his dad other than he is in jail because he did something illegal. To me through the years he wasn't anything but a good man and a good neighbor. Anyone could get caught doing something like that. I am a 100% sure this guy never did anything illegal, (other than filesharing) in his life. I remembered this story, and I called my dad to tell me how he is doing since I moved from florida with my wife years ago. He told me that because of good behaviour they are letting him go earlier. But he is still serving 2 more years and he is being transfered to a local facility.
Take this story if you want with a grain of salt. Do not get in trouble, Save your bucks and buy your movies. Is definetly not worth getting in trouble over. Plus you get better picture quality like some pleople said before me.
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thewolfman
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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I can’t help but comment on that. You know, the once practically invented the damn thing, thepiratebay, got 1 year prison sentence each and a 4,5 million $ fine to be divided amongst themselves. 3 I think.. At least they don’t have to serve as many years in prison like they have in the US. Why not hand them the gun to finish them off early, unless gang raped to death before, what life are expected from them when they get out? I could mention a lot off cases where a guy kills someone and yet get only like a 30,000 $ fine and a 12 year sentence. Though we also have life imprisonment; the guy with the holding record is still serving time since 1982, and that from killing two people and will only get out when he gets his act together and not cause trouble within the prison. There is something wrong with your law that is for sure. But I do like the death penalty on absolute proven cases.
| fefrank wrote: | 15 yrs in jail is rediculous, he mustve done alot more than file sharing, how many people in this world fileshare??
70%? 80%? More?? Probably. So dont be hypocrits.[/quote
The only thing he did that I know of is give movies to friends and family. And neighbors JK. But I am sure there is a little more to the story that I don't know. But the point is that the main reason he got caught was because the International Maritime Bureau (IMB) got an email address and IP Address several times from his location, and that gave them the warrant to start their investigation. I remember the morning of the incident, 2 police cars and a black Ford Crown victoria on his driveway and the people just went inside after like a minute of explaining the reason they were there. 30 minutes later they came out with closed black box and his computer. I was mowing my lawn at the time. So I saw the whole thing. Little did I know what everything was all about until they got him in handcufs, the police took him and his wife after they left, told me the whole story trying to fight the cries.
I feel bad for the guy and his family, becuase of such a simple thing his life is ruined and his kids basically don't know anything about his dad other than he is in jail because he did something illegal. To me through the years he wasn't anything but a good man and a good neighbor. Anyone could get caught doing something like that. I am a 100% sure this guy never did anything illegal, (other than filesharing) in his life. I remembered this story, and I called my dad to tell me how he is doing since I moved from florida with my wife years ago. He told me that because of good behaviour they are letting him go earlier. But he is still serving 2 more years and he is being transfered to a local facility.
Take this story if you want with a grain of salt. Do not get in trouble, Save your bucks and buy your movies. Is definetly not worth getting in trouble over. Plus you get better picture quality like some pleople said before me. |
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