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Save your money, Batman 3 is as bad as Spiderman 3..terrible
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Elaine Benes



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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:20 am    Post subject: Save your money, Batman 3 is as bad as Spiderman 3..terrible

Just in case anyone here was going to blow their money and see Batman 3 in the theater, don't waste your money, it is TERRIBLE, and not just a little terrible, really, really terrible. As bad as, maybe even worse than Spiderman 3.

Use that as your guide. If you liked Spiderman 3, maybe you'll like this 3. I HATED Spiderman 3, and Batman 3 is a muddled unfocussed POS.


I was expecting The Dark Knight to be a disappointment, because I thought Batman Begins was pretty good, but I was SHOCKED at how good The Dark Knight was. This time, I was guardedly hoping The Dark Knight Rises would be a decent movie, considering how good The Dark Knight was, but was completely disappointed. They should have called it the Dark Knight Wastes Three Hours of My Time Setting Up Another Franchise With a Terrible "Prequel" Movie instead...a little unwieldy for a title, but far more appropriate...
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:54 pm    Post subject:

FWIW you are in the minority with that opinion. Rottentomatoes says 87% of critics and 93% of moviegoers thought it was great. (Vs. 63%/54% for Spiderman 3.)
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Elaine Benes



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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:23 pm    Post subject:

I think that's more that people are sitting there thinking "it can't be as bad as I think it is, can it ?" The whole theater was sitting there in stunned silence at the showing I saw, not being able to believe how bad it was....

You know when a movie is good, when it ends there's a release of emotion, sometimes clapping, etc ? Virtually always there's sudden outburst of chatting and "Oh, that was good" etc ? When this ended, silence, people were actually running out...

Give this time, I'll bet the initial shock will wear off and the consensus will change...

Or maybe I'm wrong and just don't know good cinema when I see it !

I'm glad you posted those comparison numbers for Spiderman 3, it tells me a lot about the mass opinions. I never look at sites like Rotten Tomatoes, etc., I prefer to see movies with little or no fore knowledge so I can form an unencumbered opinion. The most enjoyable movies I've seen in theaters have been the ones I picked on a whim, with only the title and poster to choose. Like "After Hours", I saw that in a huge theater on a Wed afternoon with 2 other people in the whole theater, the scene in the cab where he's being thrown around made me laugh out loud like a madman. And "Angel Heart", I had no idea what it was about, saw it had Lisa Bonet in it and went in totally cold. People came out of that one running too, but running because they were so scared !@ My buddy I saw that with wouldn't talk about it for a week, it spooked him that badly...

Batman 3, OTOH, uggh. Just too ridiculous to have any impact...but just my opinion, of course, hahaha
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:43 pm    Post subject:

Thanks for warning us Wink
I've heard more people complain about it.

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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:44 pm    Post subject:

I definitely have pretty eclectic taste, so I take any ratings with a grain of salt. We do frequently use Rotten Tomatoes, but more as a guide to what to stay far, far away from. I do find it pretty reliable, though. Because of what I would consider my own eclectic or discerning taste perhaps, I tend to put a little more weight on the critic rating than the audience rating.

So, with an 87% rating, and based on past experience, I'd guess it's a fairly decent movie; not "TERRIBLE". But, like music, everybody has their own tastes.

Regardless, I only see about one movie a year in the theater, so no doubt I'll wait to see it at home.

What specifically was it you didn't like? Character development lacking? Plot was difficult? No payoff?

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Elaine Benes



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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:58 pm    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
Character development lacking? Plot was difficult? No payoff?

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All of the above.

Primarily, there was no motivation provided for the connections between the characters. And the plot "twist" was so apparent, you could see it the first time the author of it appeared on screen.

And the editing was atrocious, the kind of cuts that make you think they're there JUST to support the insertion of commercials...
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:16 pm    Post subject:

My best friend, who is difficult to please, said he liked it. Of course his taste is into dark movies.

Crabb,
You better see some of the popular movies, because you know they will be shown in demos at Cedia.Smile
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:41 pm    Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:
You better see some of the popular movies, because you know they will be shown in demos at Cedia.Smile

It's OK, I probably won't have time to see much this year anyway!

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:28 am    Post subject:

I'm stay far far away from any Batman Spiderman or other movie that Boringwood has done and redone and redone! If they want my money, be original. Isn't Hollywood supposed to be a creative industry?
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:29 am    Post subject:

I'm stay far far away from any Batman Spiderman or other movie that Boringwood has done and redone and redone! If they want my money, be original. Isn't Hollywood supposed to be a creative industry?
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:50 pm    Post subject:

Hey Aubrey, you made your own sequel there. You're ready for Hollywood!

Maybe Hollywood *USED* to be a creative industry. All they are now is a money churn. They promote the bejeezus out of people with no other marketable skill and somehow create demand for them. They rehash and recycle and retread old ideas again and again and again. They don't take risks, so they just keep re-running the same tired formulas that worked last time. There is damn little creativity there.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:05 am    Post subject:

garyfritz wrote:
Hey Aubrey, you made your own sequel there. You're ready for Hollywood!

Maybe Hollywood *USED* to be a creative industry. All they are now is a money churn. They promote the bejeezus out of people with no other marketable skill and somehow create demand for them. They rehash and recycle and retread old ideas again and again and again. They don't take risks, so they just keep re-running the same tired formulas that worked last time. There is damn little creativity there.


COOL! When do I get my millions?

Don't talk about Tom Cruise like that! Mr. Green

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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:09 am    Post subject:

My mom and the old man just went to see this last night, and he said it was damn near as good as Dark Night. Highly recommended it and said it might even be worth going to the theater, but said if I couldn't make it, it was a keeper when it comes out on Blu-ray.

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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:48 pm    Post subject:

I saw Dark Knight Rises last night and thought it was excellent. Sorry, but I can't see how this could be placed in the same league as Spiderman 3 (which was crap). I can't say it's better than The Dark Knight because Ledger's performance as The Joker was mesmerizing but it certainly held it's ground. If you plan to see this I would highly recommend viewing in a theater with film projection as opposed to digital..

The theater I went too was packed and people were clapping at the end (this is the same response I heard from friends). This is one of just a handful of trilogy's where the third act comes close to or exceeds the previous installments; Return of the King and Revenge of the Sith are two that come to mind.

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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:08 pm    Post subject:

Hmmm... Elaine... (I chuckle every time I write your handle)... I'm questioning your taste in movies at this point based on other reviews and Rotten Tomatoes (both audience and reviewers, so you can't say "it's the stupid masses). If you don't mind me asking, what are a few of your favorite movies you consider "excellent" and what are a couple of movies besides Spiderman 3 you think are total crap.

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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:19 pm    Post subject:

jbmeyer13 wrote:
This is one of just a handful of trilogy's where the third act comes close to or exceeds the previous installments; ... and Revenge of the Sith are two that come to mind.

Only because Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones were so bad... Return of the Jedi was a much better example of a great closing chapter to a great trilogy.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:00 am    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
Hmmm... Elaine... (I chuckle every time I write your handle)... I'm questioning your taste in movies at this point based on other reviews and Rotten Tomatoes (both audience and reviewers, so you can't say "it's the stupid masses). If you don't mind me asking, what are a few of your favorite movies you consider "excellent" and what are a couple of movies besides Spiderman 3 you think are total crap.

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I guess I don't know what I'm talking about, obviously !

Some of the movies I really liked, off the top of my head are:

Risky Business (this is one of the most damning condemnations of the crass commercialization of American culture ever committed to film, many levels to this film, and Rebecca De Mornay naked, what more could you want !)

An American Werewolf in London

The Bourne Identity

Beautiful Girls

About A Boy

Solaris

Alien Resurrection( I liked Alien and Aliens too, but the one with Winona Ryder I liked best...haha)

Terminator

The Dark Knight

The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

The Man Who Would Be King

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

The Outlaw Josey Wales

Unforgiven

Romeo and Juliet *(Baz Luhrmann version only)

Blade Runner*(the version with the voice over)


The things in movies that really burn my ass are things that just don't make any sense, and don't hang with the rest of the movie, like portraying a situation where THOUSANDS of people simply sit on their hands in their uniforms FOR MONTHS ! It just doesn't make any sense at all, blows the whole premise of the rest of the movie for me...

Movies that totally sucked are harder to identify, I tend to forget the things I didn't like much:

Spiderman 3, terrible, a betrayal of the excellence of the first two

ALL of the ridiculously dull hobbitt films, can't even recall what they're called. I LITERALLY couldn't stay awake during any of them, dull, dull, dull, dull. I would REALLY rather watch paint dry than waste my time on them, just terrible drek...

All of the Harry Potter films before the Prisoner of Azkaban...

I'm sure that's enough examples of my contrarian tastes to inflame all the closed minded fanboys...hahahaha
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:56 pm    Post subject:

garyfritz wrote:
jbmeyer13 wrote:
This is one of just a handful of trilogy's where the third act comes close to or exceeds the previous installments; ... and Revenge of the Sith are two that come to mind.

Only because Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones were so bad... Return of the Jedi was a much better example of a great closing chapter to a great trilogy.


While I agree that TPM and AOTC were not in the same class as anything in the original trilogy, I disagree that Jedi was better than Revenge of the Sith. Save for the unmasking/atonement of Darth Vader, Jedi lacked the emotional gravity of ROTS. You pretty much knew what was going to happen before you watched ROTS, yet the compelling aspect was the execution of the story.

It's too bad that Spielberg didn't get the chance to direct ROTJ (as he was the first choice of Lucas). Richard Marquand had some decent films under his belt but not exactly in the same class as Spielberg Wink

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:17 pm    Post subject:

Elaine Benes wrote:
ecrabb wrote:
Hmmm... Elaine... (I chuckle every time I write your handle)... I'm questioning your taste in movies at this point based on other reviews and Rotten Tomatoes (both audience and reviewers, so you can't say "it's the stupid masses). If you don't mind me asking, what are a few of your favorite movies you consider "excellent" and what are a couple of movies besides Spiderman 3 you think are total crap.

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I guess I don't know what I'm talking about, obviously !

Some of the movies I really liked, off the top of my head are:

Risky Business (this is one of the most damning condemnations of the crass commercialization of American culture ever committed to film, many levels to this film, and Rebecca De Mornay naked, what more could you want !)

An American Werewolf in London

The Bourne Identity

Beautiful Girls

About A Boy

Solaris

Alien Resurrection( I liked Alien and Aliens too, but the one with Winona Ryder I liked best...haha)

Terminator

The Dark Knight

The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

The Man Who Would Be King

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

The Outlaw Josey Wales

Unforgiven

Romeo and Juliet *(Baz Luhrmann version only)

Blade Runner*(the version with the voice over)


The things in movies that really burn my ass are things that just don't make any sense, and don't hang with the rest of the movie, like portraying a situation where THOUSANDS of people simply sit on their hands in their uniforms FOR MONTHS ! It just doesn't make any sense at all, blows the whole premise of the rest of the movie for me...

Movies that totally sucked are harder to identify, I tend to forget the things I didn't like much:

Spiderman 3, terrible, a betrayal of the excellence of the first two

ALL of the ridiculously dull hobbitt films, can't even recall what they're called. I LITERALLY couldn't stay awake during any of them, dull, dull, dull, dull. I would REALLY rather watch paint dry than waste my time on them, just terrible drek...

All of the Harry Potter films before the Prisoner of Azkaban...

I'm sure that's enough examples of my contrarian tastes to inflame all the closed minded fanboys...hahahaha


Most of the films on your list I like and wouldn't necessarily call them contrarian. Having said that, can you please tell me what you liked so much about Alien 4? Granted it was better than the pile of crap known as Alien 3 but still a let down after the first two. It also had quite a few things that didn't make much sense...for example the acidic blood that burned through the ships hull in the original film doesn't seem to be an issue in this film.

Both Terminator 2 and Aliens were top flight sequels that provided decent closure and yet were followed by films that pretty much nullified their key plot aspects.

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:35 pm    Post subject:

jbmeyer13 wrote:
garyfritz wrote:
jbmeyer13 wrote:
This is one of just a handful of trilogy's where the third act comes close to or exceeds the previous installments; ... and Revenge of the Sith are two that come to mind.

Only because Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones were so bad... Return of the Jedi was a much better example of a great closing chapter to a great trilogy.


While I agree that TPM and AOTC were not in the same class as anything in the original trilogy, I disagree that Jedi was better than Revenge of the Sith. Save for the unmasking/atonement of Darth Vader, Jedi lacked the emotional gravity of ROTS. You pretty much knew what was going to happen before you watched ROTS, yet the compelling aspect was the execution of the story.

It's too bad that Spielberg didn't get the chance to direct ROTJ (as he was the first choice of Lucas). Richard Marquand had some decent films under his belt but not exactly in the same class as Spielberg Wink


Sure, we all knew what we were finally going to see in ROTS - Anakin would fall from grace and become Vader, Vader would battle Obi-Wan and be defeated/left to die, Padme would give birth to Luke and Leia and subsequently die, Palpatine would reveal himself as a Sith and wipe out the Jedi, the Empire would be born...we're talking multiple epic climaxes that people had wanted to see for decades! The suspense and anticipation amongst Star Wars fans was there before the prequel trilogy ever started. So it was perhaps even more disappointing when Lucas somehow managed to execute all of it in a barely-believable manner, with sh*tty writing, lackluster acting, and an almost singular focus on special effects. At least the story arc in ROTJ was believable and had overall good acting. ROTS certainly had the potential to be far more grand and epic than ROTJ; however it fell abysmally short of that mark. I would LOVE to see EP I-III remade (i.e. start from scratch) by people with writing, directing, and acting competence. I know it will never happen, but in an age where re-boots are common, I think the 3 SW prequels top the list of movies I'd want re-done.

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