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CasetheCorvetteman
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All this may be the case Crabb and you put forward a very good argument, but its pretty clear we look at things from a different perspective. Id happily pay $45,000 for a new 9 inch Marquee, if i was assured it would last me 10 years plus, which i am reasonably sure it would. You can still buy digital projectors that are in excess of $70,000 and id like to see just how long they will last compared to a 3 or 4 thousand machine...
I did buy a new CRT rear pro TV back in the 90s which at the time was around $8,000 here. Saved up for quite a long time to buy it, and last i heard, it was still going strong too  Im happy to pay good money for something that will last.
The best source you may have is 1920x1080, but using a PC you can go to 2560x1536.
I also play alot of retro video games on genuine hardware, and there is no question about the fact they do look absolute best on a CRT in 4:3 format. That is not opinion, that is just simple fact that no one in their right mind can argue with. They also work best on analog too, cause with digital its quite hit and miss. The light gun game controllers dont work on digital, where as they get a fairly regular run in my home and that reason alone is going to keep me with CRT any way i can til there is no way i can make one run any more. Unless they bring out a display that has the same scanning as CRT, those guns will never work the way they did!!
There is plenty of people around in your country and mine that have stacks of money to burn. We might not be them, but there is lots of them.
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Spanky Ham
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Crabb covered just about everything. My one question would be what the market would look like without digital. Would there be low cost throw away CRT pjs? Would there be a lot more pjs made? What would be the value of used CRTs? Would there even be a Cedia?
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macgyver655
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | My one question would be what the market would look like without digital. |
Landfills would be fractions of their current sizes...... 
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Tinman
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| ecrabb wrote: | | CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | Regardless, we still havent gone far forwards. As you know there were front and rear projection CRTs in the early 90s capable of way past 1920x1440 resolution and contrast ratios easily as high as we are only just stating to see on digitals now. They were expensive, they still are, but they LAST. They can also be reasonably easily repaired and rebuilt, making them considerably more valuable. |
I think we have gone quite far forward. That I can get PQ out of a new digital projector that surpasses everything but the very best CRT's in pretty much every category save for on/off, and I can do it with a 3-year warranty, a package that's probably 1/6 the size, that I can hang by myself, and that is very nearly silent and uses probably half the power and outputs half the heat... Personally, I think that's pretty impressive. Oh, and most can buy this level quality with significantly less than a months' salary... This level of picture quality used to cost tens of thousands of dollars, and home theater was the domain of the über-wealthy. Now, almost any middle class movie enthusiast can have a home theater. Sorry, but I think that's all pretty amazing, and certainly doesn't say, "haven't gone far".
This has been hashed out here at least 100 times. Yes, yes those high-end CRTs were capable of displaying resolution beyond 1920x1440, albeit with decreasing MTF. Yes, it's rebuildable, but it's quite expensive to do so. Just replacing the tubes in those high-end machines costs several times what many of us spent on our CRT's, and more than what a lot of people spend on a digital - never mind how much those high-end projectors cost to buy in the first place. Yes, the on/off contrast is excellent, but the ANSI contrast is terrible, the MTF lower, the size/noise inferior. Besides, who cares if it will display beyond 1920x1440... The best source we have is 1920x1080.
| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | What makes this even more tipped towards the older side of the argument is that back then, things were in many ways over engineered which provided a very long life of future proofing, and very few sources could ever push them to their limits. Now pretty much any off the shelf source will put out the max resolution of the set ( and the set only has one set resolution it can properly fill the screen with anyway ) |
Yes, it was over-engineered, and extremely high-quality, and well-built, etc... But nobody would be able to afford it. If cheap digital hadn't of come along, a CRT like what most of us here are watching would probably be north of $30,000 new by now, and because of the durability, still very expensive used.
| CasetheCorvetteman wrote: | | If stuff today was as reliable as it was in the 90s and built with the future in mind ( which it is not ), it would still cost as much or more than it did then. |
Exactly. Unfortunately, that would mean that almost none of us here would have any of it. I don't know about you, but I couldn't afford a $5,000 projector from government surplus that needed $4,500 worth of tubes replaced.
So, in many ways, you guys that love the old, over-engineered, expensive stuff really owe a debt of gratitude to the new, small, cheap, digital gear for forcing the stuff you love so much into obsolescence; if the whole "digital" thing wouldn't have happened, you probably wouldn't be able to afford the gear you have.
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Surprisingly enough.... a post I can agree with! 
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Spanky Ham
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| digitalayon wrote: | | He was hoping to try and take advantage of a situation. Fcking idiot. I told him it was for parts only. Oh well...perhaps he will learn. |
I have to laugh at this one. I just bought a used Miele washing machine from a guy off of CL. We plugged it in and it works, but he said if I have a problem with it in a day or two that I could bring it back. I wonder what he would do if I returned it after I took the control boards out.
Contrast that with my experience buying a pair of PSB Stratus Golds back in '99 or '00. I traveled 400 miles to buy them and pick them up. After I get done demoing them and I say yes, we start to move them to the front door. He stops and says where is my money. I was like ok whatever. I went out to the Explorer and got him his money. I thought to myself you couldn't help carry them out and wait for me to grab the money then. 
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ecrabb
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | Contrast that with my experience buying a pair of PSB Stratus Golds back in '99 or '00. I traveled 400 miles to buy them and pick them up. After I get done demoing them and I say yes, we start to move them to the front door. He stops and says where is my money. I was like ok whatever. I went out to the Explorer and got him his money. I thought to myself you couldn't help carry them out and wait for me to grab the money then. |
That one doesn't surprise me. I could easily see somebody having the seller help him drag something out to a truck, then start negotiating hoping to get a better deal knowing A) buyer and seller were on neutral territory, and B) seller would be more likely to negotiate once the goods were already hauled out because he wouldn't want to move them back inside.
Not that the seller was worried about that in your case. Presumably, you'd already agreed on a price given you traveling so far (barring inspection, of course)... But, still.
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HaydnG90
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| ecrabb wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | Contrast that with my experience buying a pair of PSB Stratus Golds back in '99 or '00. I traveled 400 miles to buy them and pick them up. After I get done demoing them and I say yes, we start to move them to the front door. He stops and says where is my money. I was like ok whatever. I went out to the Explorer and got him his money. I thought to myself you couldn't help carry them out and wait for me to grab the money then. |
That one doesn't surprise me. I could easily see somebody having the seller help him drag something out to a truck, then start negotiating hoping to get a better deal knowing A) buyer and seller were on neutral territory, and B) seller would be more likely to negotiate once the goods were already hauled out because he wouldn't want to move them back inside.
Not that the seller was worried about that in your case. Presumably, you'd already agreed on a price given you traveling so far (barring inspection, of course)... But, still.
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I think thats normal. Once you start moving stuff (especially heavy items) there's a risk of damage. The seller just wanted to have the cash in hand so that from that point on the speakers were your's and your responsibility. I would do the same.
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ecrabb
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Oh, yeah - forgot about that aspect. Good point.
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Spanky Ham
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Speakers aren't that heavy and I thought that we could have them beside the vehicle not in before paying. Seriously, who would have been the worse off in that case. I just spent all that time driving and all he would have had to have done is move them twenty feet back into the house. Big Deal. Stuff like this is a specialty item and I did him a huge favor coming and picking them up.
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paw
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When I sell stuff on CL, it's "cash on the barrel head" before the item gets out the door. I could see some crazy driving off without paying.
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Spanky Ham
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And how would that happen if it isn't the car? If it is a small item that I can carry out myself, then yes I agree,
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CasetheCorvetteman
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | My one question would be what the market would look like without digital. |
Landfills would be fractions of their current sizes...... |
Too true my friend, and that is going to become a big issue soon
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macgyver655
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G*D DAMN, MOTHER FU**ING FLAT PANELS!!!!!!! My main living room plasma went out this morning. PIECES OF SH*T!!!!!
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dvh99
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soooooooooooooooooooo funny, sorry mac.
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CasetheCorvetteman
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What is a man of your talent doing with one if those in your lounge room!!!
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macgyver655
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I'll just drag out the trusty old CRT and all will be well again......
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digitalayon
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The only advantage is the CRT is as sexy as the flat panel.
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stefuel
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What a bunch of pussies. I got a AmPro and you don't here me bitchin
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macgyver655
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| stefuel wrote: | | What a bunch of pussies. I got a AmPro and you don't here me bitchin |
Yeah, and you'll have cake on your face when you swap that Ampro out for a flat panel like you've been squealing.....
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AnalogRocks
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | I'll just drag out the trusty old CRT and all will be well again...... |
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