| Author |
Message |
Curt Palme
CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
Posts: 24396
Location: Langley, BC
TV/Projector: All of them!
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject: THe Hobbit- shot in 48FPS! |
|
|
|
Just am catching an interview with Elijah Wood, and he's saying that the Hobbit that is shooting now is the first film that is being shot in 48FPS. Don't know if this has been talked about before, but I thought it was interesting.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
barclay66
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
Posts: 1304
Location: Germany
TV/Projector: Marquee 9500 Ultra
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ecrabb
Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006
Posts: 15909
Location: Utah
TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I brought it up in the Can a CRT do 48hz thread, too.
To me, this falls into the, "don't mess with the cinema look and feel I love" category. Pretty sure I'm not going to be a big fan, but we'll see. I've warmed to the idea of 3D for certain movies after seeing The Avengers, so...
SC
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008
Posts: 4269
Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ecrabb wrote: | I brought it up in the Can a CRT do 48hz thread, too.
To me, this falls into the, "don't mess with the cinema look and feel I love" category. Pretty sure I'm not going to be a big fan, but we'll see....
|
I am right there with you. But I am excited to see it and very open to the possibility that it could be the best of both worlds.
I wounder what this means for the BD release though. I would think that the BD will be 1080p 24Hz, but what if they release it at 1080p 60Hz... that would really suck. I don't think there exists a 1080p 48Hz protocol for BD film so hopefully they will do 24Hz and then we can just uprate to 72Hz as usual. The downrate to 24Hz might cause strange effects, but than again maybe not?
craigr
_________________
JETI 1501-HiRes 2nm Spectroradiometer
JETI 1211 Spectroradiometer
Photo Research PR-650 Spectroradiometer
Klein K10-A Colorimeter
Murideo Fresco SIX-G HDMI 2.x Multimedia Generator
Murideo Fresco SIX-A HDMI 2.x Analyzer
Light Illusion ColourSpace XPT Color Calibration Software
Light Illusion LightSpace XPT Pro Version 10.x Color Calibration Software
OMARDRIS JVC Software Patch to use K10-A and Jeti with JVC OEM AutoCal Software!
Sencore CR7000 CRT Tube Analyzer / Rejuvenater
Authorized Dealer for Lumagen & just about everything worth buying 
www.CIR-Engineering.com - craigr@cir-engineering.com
Phone: 865-405-6892
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ecrabb
Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006
Posts: 15909
Location: Utah
TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| CIR Engineering wrote: | | The downrate to 24Hz might cause strange effects, but than again maybe not? |
I don't see why they couldn't just drop every other frame for BD, and for the 24p master to be telecined for 1080i cable/satellite distribution. Other than the shutter angle-induced blur (or lack thereof, actually), it should screen just like it was shot at 24hz.
Really looking forward to seeing what this looks like. I've seen a few tests at 24hz vs. 48hz off the Red camera, and if those tests are representative of what the film will look like, I'm NOT going to be impressed.
We shall see, though...
SC
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mc86
Joined: 20 Sep 2008
Posts: 767
Location: pittsburgh, pa
TV/Projector: ECP 4500 (Vidikron box), ECP4500+, wanting 07MS/07MTS, evaluating pc soft-blend
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I think the "oversampling" approach SC mentions is the right one as a failsafe until what-people-learn-to-like is known. As a risk-averse person, I'd shoot everything at as ridiculous a speed (120fps?) and resolution as possible. In another few years there shouldn't be cost or processing power reasons studios couldn't do this and in not-too-many more years they make look back and wish they had done so. There was discussion of this on a WBGN talk someone posted...
I mean, geez -- what will happen in 20years with we all have a video port in the back of our brains that does...whatever the human brain's equivalent field x resolution is...they'd be screwed. BTW, anyone know the answer to this...or how even to think about it? I've got a few hour drive ahead of me (and am going to see Wallace in a few hours!) to think about it.
Matt
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
CIR Engineering
Joined: 25 Aug 2008
Posts: 4269
Location: Chicago USA & Berlin Germany
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
You gona get to see his G90?
craigr
_________________
JETI 1501-HiRes 2nm Spectroradiometer
JETI 1211 Spectroradiometer
Photo Research PR-650 Spectroradiometer
Klein K10-A Colorimeter
Murideo Fresco SIX-G HDMI 2.x Multimedia Generator
Murideo Fresco SIX-A HDMI 2.x Analyzer
Light Illusion ColourSpace XPT Color Calibration Software
Light Illusion LightSpace XPT Pro Version 10.x Color Calibration Software
OMARDRIS JVC Software Patch to use K10-A and Jeti with JVC OEM AutoCal Software!
Sencore CR7000 CRT Tube Analyzer / Rejuvenater
Authorized Dealer for Lumagen & just about everything worth buying
www.CIR-Engineering.com - craigr@cir-engineering.com
Phone: 865-405-6892
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mc86
Joined: 20 Sep 2008
Posts: 767
Location: pittsburgh, pa
TV/Projector: ECP 4500 (Vidikron box), ECP4500+, wanting 07MS/07MTS, evaluating pc soft-blend
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
Sure did -- Don was an awesome host for my lightning-quick grab and go visit. I'll post separately about it in the morning...JUST got home.
Matt
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kal
Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006
Posts: 18114
Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: JVC DLA-NZ7
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| CIR Engineering wrote: | | I wounder what this means for the BD release though. I would think that the BD will be 1080p 24Hz, but what if they release it at 1080p 60Hz... that would really suck. I don't think there exists a 1080p 48Hz protocol for BD film so hopefully they will do 24Hz and then we can just uprate to 72Hz as usual. The downrate to 24Hz might cause strange effects, but than again maybe not? |
Was thinking the same thing myself...
Who ever thought that one day we may be worried about judder introduced by doing the OPPOSITE of 3:2 pulldown?? (Going from 60 to 24 instead of the other way around).
I'm on the fence with the 48 fps "upgrade" myself. I'm very much in the camp "why are they fixing something that isn't broken"? But we'll see. Nothing wrong I suppose with having another tool in a director's toolbox at their disposal. It could be something that they can pick and choose to use if they want, no different than (say) choosing 16x9 AR over 2.35:1. There's no reason why a film would *have* to be shot at 48 fps if they don't want to.
Kal
_________________
Support our site by using our affiliate links. We thank you!
My basement/HT/bar/brewery build 2.0
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kal
Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006
Posts: 18114
Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: JVC DLA-NZ7
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| mc86 wrote: | | I mean, geez -- what will happen in 20years with we all have a video port in the back of our brains that does...whatever the human brain's equivalent field x resolution is...they'd be screwed. |
If the intent is to go to hyper-realism then going as high a resolution and refresh rate as possible is the way to go, but I'm definitely with SC on this one Matt based on what he's written in the other thread: Film is a delivery medium that is art.
The choice of delivery medium is part of the art itself, be it using grainy film stock on purpose (not just because you need high ISO), doing bleeds/fades/washes and other things to alter what we see (think of Saving Private Ryan), choosing the type of film stock because of how it renders colours, and so on.
Playing with the refresh rate is (or should be) just another artistic choice.
Trying to go back and changing what was done to me is akin to colorizing old movies. The director/DP chooses the look that he/she wants at time of filming. Someone else shouldn't go back 20 years later and modify it. The idea of making something 'better' 20 years after it was released doesn't make any sense. You can't get 'better' than the original first run stock of what the director/DP saw when they were editing the film.
Kal
_________________
Support our site by using our affiliate links. We thank you!
My basement/HT/bar/brewery build 2.0
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mc86
Joined: 20 Sep 2008
Posts: 767
Location: pittsburgh, pa
TV/Projector: ECP 4500 (Vidikron box), ECP4500+, wanting 07MS/07MTS, evaluating pc soft-blend
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Kal, I do prefer the art of film...We watch a lot of movies and very little TV. I just say run super fast and super high-res as the default so the artists have complete flexibility and future-adaptability. They can still do their craft with self-imposed limits as-if they had 24fps film if they so choose. I guess the debate on speeds and resolution seems silly -- go overkill with the tech and let's talk about the ART and CRAFT of composure and presentation. I feel sure there must be technical limitations working with film (maybe aperture and depth of field issues with lenses, etc) that couldn't be emulated, but those notwithstanding...
Matt
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kal
Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006
Posts: 18114
Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: JVC DLA-NZ7
|
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| mc86 wrote: | | I just say run super fast and super high-res as the default so the artists have complete flexibility and future-adaptability. |
Flexibility makes sense to me. They might not be sure what they're going to prefer in the final product and it may not be obvious until they go into post-production. It's the future-adaptability that I think I have an issue with since making changes in the future would change the "art" that was previously created. For example, shooting at 120Hz and then mastering a Blu-ray to 24Hz for today's audience, and then 20 years down the road remastering to increase the frame rate to 60 or 120Hz for newer TVs. It's possible, but changes the look, and therefore changes the art. No different than colorization really.
Kal
_________________
Support our site by using our affiliate links. We thank you!
My basement/HT/bar/brewery build 2.0
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
