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Tinman
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 1326 Location: Carson City Nevada
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| hansilili wrote: | You know what? I'm gonna stick with my 10PG. I am even afraid to sell the spare machine, fully working with minty tubes. Dead working capital, just sitting there consuming foor space.
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I'll miss the picture it throws, for sure. There is just something about it that a digital still cannot match. That 3D feel, for starters.
But remember, these sets need a few dozen capacitors replaced by now. Most do. So even your spare is slowly rotting.
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Jeremy112
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 2649 Location: Fond du Lac, WI
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Well I have to say to those of you on this topic that have switched over, I don't blame you at all for your decisions. It's one of the reasons why I didn't sell my Sony Pearl. Its not no JVC RS55 or any of that, but for a cheap digital it looks great and its super easy to use.
I too someday will make my transition over to digital (once I can get a sexy JVC at a steamy price). When I do make the switch, I WONT be getting rid of my CRT projector.
I don't know what it is, but there is something about the CRT that will make me hang onto it. I guess its because it will be a good vintage display for older equipment down the road. Something for me to say to people years from now "Yep, these were IT if you wanted a real movie like experience back in the day"
CRTs are great and all, but the setup is what kills the interest in them for a lot of people. But, as said, my XG will always have a place in my home no matter what.
And before I do switch to digital, I WILL be getting a G90. I have to see/own/experience the beauty of a nice 9" CRT before I go back to digital. That projector as well will not be leaving the house once I get my hands on one.
I guess the best way to say it is "It's been a great run CRT, you'll be missed but remembered:) "
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: JVC DLA-NZ7
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | | I saw the RS55 at CEDIA, and I think it's definitely a worthwhile upgrade over the RS45... |
Thanks for the feedback. I've seen both but in completely different rooms/screens and neither were calibrated, so other than being able to see what e-shift (pseudo-4K) looks like on screen, it wasn't a very useful comparison. Even that was a hard comparison as the screens were different material and the RS55 was on a 10' wide scope screen with an anamorphic lens while the RS45 was on a 16x9 screen without an anamorphic lens.
I suppose I bought my Zenith 1200 blindly so why not this digital?
| Quote: | [quote="Jeremy112"]When I do make the switch, I WONT be getting rid of my CRT projector.
I don't know what it is, but there is something about the CRT that will make me hang onto it. I guess its because it will be a good vintage display for older equipment down the road. Something for me to say to people years from now "Yep, these were IT if you wanted a real movie like experience back in the day" |
Yep. Given how little I can get for it, I'm not thinking of getting rid of it. There's also the thought that someone wouldn't treat it nicely or set it up nicely. It just seems wrong. Like giving away one of your kids to someone who might abuse them. It's silly but I'm attached to the Zenith 1200. I feel like I know ever capacitor/resistor in it. Though it's also a shame to use up so much floorspace in a back room just to store something you'll probably never use ...
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mc86
Joined: 20 Sep 2008 Posts: 767 Location: pittsburgh, pa
TV/Projector: ECP 4500 (Vidikron box), ECP4500+, wanting 07MS/07MTS, evaluating pc soft-blend
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Kal -
Maybe you should setup the zenith in the brew room or someplace out of the way where you could watch it/see an image from a BR player through a moome/hdf directly to it (sans sound)? That way, on occasion as a reference (and for the sake of old-times) you could watch it -- you know, just unfurl a cheapy retractable screen from the ceiling for that purpose...
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overclkr
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 4227
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Yeah I'm getting out of CRT as well. Although, my reasons are not because I dont like my setup, matter of fact it is one of the best front projected images I have ever seen in my life.
It's the people that are unreliable and what I consider to have a "stuck up" attitude like their poop doesn't stink and they are above every one else is the reason I am getting out. It's going to be much easier for me to calibrate a digital with an inexpensive colorimeter than it will be to have to depend on someone to come and do it for me for the stack.
That reason alone is enough for me at this point. Having a nice setup should not be an unpleasant experience, and for that reason it is time for me as well to say goodbye to CRT.
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Tinman
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 1326 Location: Carson City Nevada
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| overclkr wrote: | Yeah I'm getting out of CRT as well. Although, my reasons are not because I dont like my setup, matter of fact it is one of the best front projected images I have ever seen in my life.
It's the people that are unreliable and what I consider to have a "stuck up" attitude like their poop doesn't stink and they are above every one else is the reason I am getting out. It's going to be much easier for me to calibrate a digital with an inexpensive colorimeter than it will be to have to depend on someone to come and do it for me for the stack.
That reason alone is enough for me at this point. Having a nice setup should not be an unpleasant experience, and for that reason it is time for me as well to say goodbye to CRT.
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Surprised to read that, Cliff. But I can understand the reasoning.
I suppose there aren't many people left that KNOW how to calibrate a CRT projector left.
I can, but I chose to leave that behind. I'll only calibrate the Runco for it's new owner during install, but other than that I am officially out of the business.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| Tinman wrote: | | overclkr wrote: | Yeah I'm getting out of CRT as well. Although, my reasons are not because I dont like my setup, matter of fact it is one of the best front projected images I have ever seen in my life.
It's the people that are unreliable and what I consider to have a "stuck up" attitude like their poop doesn't stink and they are above every one else is the reason I am getting out. It's going to be much easier for me to calibrate a digital with an inexpensive colorimeter than it will be to have to depend on someone to come and do it for me for the stack.
That reason alone is enough for me at this point. Having a nice setup should not be an unpleasant experience, and for that reason it is time for me as well to say goodbye to CRT.
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Surprised to read that, Cliff. But I can understand the reasoning.
I suppose there aren't many people left that KNOW how to calibrate a CRT projector.
I can, but I chose to leave that behind. I'll only calibrate the Runco for it's new owner during install, but other than that I am officially out of the business.
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I could do it but have no time, married to the Diner. Sucks some times.
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HaydnG90
Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 1356
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| overclkr wrote: | Yeah I'm getting out of CRT as well. Although, my reasons are not because I dont like my setup, matter of fact it is one of the best front projected images I have ever seen in my life.
It's the people that are unreliable and what I consider to have a "stuck up" attitude like their poop doesn't stink and they are above every one else is the reason I am getting out. It's going to be much easier for me to calibrate a digital with an inexpensive colorimeter than it will be to have to depend on someone to come and do it for me for the stack.
That reason alone is enough for me at this point. Having a nice setup should not be an unpleasant experience, and for that reason it is time for me as well to say goodbye to CRT.
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Not sure if I take this as a joke or not. Don't see any smilies, so I'm assuming this is how you truly feel. Seems like a really strange reason to make the transition though. Who cares how others behave. You'll come across a$$es in every aspect of life.
But I too will switch, just not for the next few years. Still get way too much enjoyment looking at the image the G90 projects. Once that goes and I can find something in the digital arena thats kicks its butt for around $3K then I won't be going far.
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stridsvognen Guest
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For those thinking about buying JVC, then think twice.. And ask yourself if you can live with lamp replacement every 500-800 hours and 50-100 hours between calibration, and for the RS45 i think it don't have convergence adjustment.
Make sure your dealer give good lamp guarantee, on hours, and it don't depend on JVC, They don't have a great reputation for pleasing costumers.
They are a sales company not a service company. Ask for replacement service like Sony and Benq, and buy when your sure you have time to test it really good for long time and many hours.
don't buy and let your guarantee run away.
Before buying ask for CMS manual and convergence tolerances, and how much light its surpposed to deliver for how many lamp hours, and get it on paper.
Try if someone that have the last new model can make some calibration measurements from cold to hot, and see if they have more control of temp drift.
Get some good facts about CMS and how it works, and if it can hit the colors spot on or not.
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jbmeyer13
Joined: 03 Dec 2010 Posts: 1135
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Coughing up a lot of cash is not a strange reason to switch. Calibration is not cheap and running a stack or blend compounds that problem multiple times over. Even when money is not the issue you still need a lot of patience. I was thinking of eventually trying to do a stack but it's too much hassle..
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: JVC DLA-NZ7
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | | It's so small and quiet... And black... Once it's up there, and I get my light-weight "hush box" up there (just for appearance/protection/heat removal), you'll barely notice the projector! |
I was thinking of pushing the projector back a bit into a the bulkhead in the back wall but it would be a bit tight. There's room in the bulkheads to do a long 6" duct ending in a silent fan (same one I used with my Zenith 1200) but when I saw (or heard) the RS45/55 it was so darned quiet that it seemed pointless, especially when run at low fan mode (which I intend to do).
You have me second guessing now about keeping it cool however. I'm going to be dropped 6-7" from the ceiling but the bulkheads all around are lower. Heat rises. Almost wonder if I should find a place for a cold air return on the sides of one of the bulkheads to suck out the hot air that'll pool. Hmmm... where's my tape measure...
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HogPilot
Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 2383
TV/Projector: Vizio P702ui-B3, Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD & 111FD
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| kal wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: | | It's so small and quiet... And black... Once it's up there, and I get my light-weight "hush box" up there (just for appearance/protection/heat removal), you'll barely notice the projector! |
I was thinking of pushing the projector back a bit into a the bulkhead in the back wall but it would be a bit tight. There's room in the bulkheads to do a long 6" duct ending in a silent fan (same one I used with my Zenith 1200) but when I saw (or heard) the RS45/55 it was so darned quiet that it seemed pointless, especially when run at low fan mode (which I intend to do).
You have me second guessing now about keeping it cool however. I'm going to be dropped 6-7" from the ceiling but the bulkheads all around are lower. Heat rises. Almost wonder if I should find a place for a cold air return on the sides of one of the bulkheads to suck out the hot air that'll pool. Hmmm... where's my tape measure...
Kal |
You should be more than fine. The air coming out the front of my RS55 is pretty warm, but it doesn't get super-hot. As long as you have the required space around the projector as listed in the user's manual (which isn't much), the intake vent on the front is getting access to room-temp air, and your room isn't 95°F, you'll be fine. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how relatively cool and quiet the RS55 runs.
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
TV/Projector: JVC DLA-NZ7
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks!
So just to be clear, the two large vents on the front on either side are the hot air output? Where is the cooling air drawn in? There appears to be a single vent on the bottom of the unit (or top when ceiling mounted) near the front slightly off center but then the manual talks about more than one input vent. (Not clear).
Kal
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HogPilot
Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 2383
TV/Projector: Vizio P702ui-B3, Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD & 111FD
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| stridsvognen wrote: | For those thinking about buying JVC, then think twice.. And ask yourself if you can live with lamp replacement every 500-800 hours and 50-100 hours between calibration, and for the RS45 i think it don't have convergence adjustment.
Make sure your dealer give good lamp guarantee, on hours, and it don't depend on JVC, They don't have a great reputation for pleasing costumers.
They are a sales company not a service company. Ask for replacement service like Sony and Benq, and buy when your sure you have time to test it really good for long time and many hours.
don't buy and let your guarantee run away.
Before buying ask for CMS manual and convergence tolerances, and how much light its surpposed to deliver for how many lamp hours, and get it on paper.
Try if someone that have the last new model can make some calibration measurements from cold to hot, and see if they have more control of temp drift.
Get some good facts about CMS and how it works, and if it can hit the colors spot on or not. |
I see you own an X7, so I understand why you made some of the bulb comments that you did. That generation - the X3/7/9/RS40/50/60 was plagued initially by poor bulb design, which caused premature/excessive dimming and failure. Within the context of JVC projectors since the RS1, this was a fluke - JVC has normally been one of the few manufacturers that publishes real specs in terms of CR and (calibrated) light output. JVC has since fixed the issue with their bulbs, however they handled it extremely poorly and never formally offered owners free replacement bulbs. However if you call them up and bitch and provide some metrics, you should be able to get a new bulb for free out of the deal. There is a lot of documentation out there showing that this generation - the X30/70/90/RS45/55/65 - are meeting their specs for light output and bulb life.
I have used the same dealer since I purchased my original RS1, and he has been nothing but phenomenal through several hiccups that were no fault of his own. My first RS1 was stolen out of the FedEx warehouse that he shipped it from - he bent over backwards to secure another one from JVC when they were in very tight supply, spending his own money to make it happen until he got reimbursed from FedEx. When I upgraded to the RS35, the first one he got was one of the very first production models, and he wasn't satisfied with the convergence and uniformity after giving it a look-over. So sent it back, had some talks with some of the very high-level guys at JVC, and they actually made improvements in their QC process for that projector based on his feedback. I had to wait an extra month and a half or so to get my unit, but when I did it was well worth it because its performance was phenomenal. On top of all of that, his prices are some of the best I've found out there. So the moral is, find a good dealer who will take care of you - mine has always done right by me.
Regarding the CMS, it can be a little finicky. However there's some great guidance in the owners threads on AVS on how to get it dialed in. I would recommend using the THX setting (which is relatively close to calibrated) for the first 150 hours or so, and then calibrating. After that how often you re-calibrate is really up to whether you notice any changes or not, and how your bulb ages. If you're doing it yourself, tweaking it every couple hundred hours wouldn't hurt, although you may or may not find the need to do so once you take some measurements.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| kal wrote: | Thanks!
So just to be clear, the two large vents on the front on either side are the hot air output? Where is the cooling air drawn in? There appears to be a single vent on the bottom of the unit (or top when ceiling mounted) near the front slightly off center but then the manual talks about more than one input vent. (Not clear).
Kal |
The front vent, one are intake, and the other output.
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HogPilot
Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 2383
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| stridsvognen wrote: | | kal wrote: | Thanks!
So just to be clear, the two large vents on the front on either side are the hot air output? Where is the cooling air drawn in? There appears to be a single vent on the bottom of the unit (or top when ceiling mounted) near the front slightly off center but then the manual talks about more than one input vent. (Not clear).
Kal |
The front vent one are intake, and the other output. |
Edit: Actually this generation has vents in the front and the rear, as well as the bottom:
Here's the required clearance around the PJ per the manual:
Keep in mind this thing is designed to be table-mounted or ceiling mounted, so the amount of clearance you need for the bottom vent is pretty minimal.
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Ah! Ok. So the two grilled vents all the way to the left and right that run from the top to the bottom of the unit on the front are in and out?:
What about the vent that is on the bottom, seen in the photo below at the top right of the image:
(I believe this user acutally put the plate on backwards as the plate cutout in the bottom left of the photo should be in in the top right of the photo above that vent).
Kal
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry i was wrong. The 2 front ports are outputs, and the one under it is the intake/ dust filter. And i think it takes some air in from the 2 back ports, i confused it with my Benq. Sorry
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kal Forum Administrator
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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there is very little air flow at the rear wents, so i guess the main cooling is from the dust filter under, and out the 2 front vents. sometimes when turned on for a long time in a hot room it sounds like it starts up a extra ventilator, could be at the rear vents.
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