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jeffslife
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 11:43 pm Post subject: I cant get my lumagen HDQ VP to work |
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I hooked it up on my lcd tv and all is well. I hooked it up to the oppo and denon and all I get is static. Any help is appreciated. As always THANK YOU.
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jeffslife
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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15 minutes later and I get a on screen message
no sigal on input 1
I am trying to change input settings but so far to no avail.
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Nowhere near enough info. You should know that by now. 
What resolution are you running? signal type? order of switcher/processor, blah blah.
Never go from a standalone unit to 2 more units in the signal chain. Too many variables to deal with. Oppo to Lumagen to display first. If that works, then run through the Denon.
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Oppo hdmi to dvi
to lumagen dvi to hdmi
to denon hdmi
to moome
Moving cables now. NOW I have a red screen, no static.
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:04 am Post subject: |
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Cable wont reach,I'll get an extension and try tomorrow
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| jeffslife wrote: | Oppo hdmi to dvi
to lumagen dvi to hdmi
to denon hdmi
to moome
Moving cables now. NOW I have a red screen, no static. |
To many adapters in the chain. You are having HDMI handshake issues because of the adapters.
Try redoing your video chain.
Oppo main out to lumagen using full HDMI. Then Oppo SUb out? or 2 out? to the Denon for just audio.
The Lumagen should be the last thing in the video chain before the Moome. By going through the Denon you are losing the benefit of the Lumagen anyway, plus causing one more thing to process the signal.
Oppo output 1 HDMI to DVI to Lumagen> Lumagen DVI to HDMI Moome
Oppo output 2 HDMI> HDMI to Denon for sound.
This should make it work. if not IDK.
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| dturco wrote: | | jeffslife wrote: | Oppo hdmi to dvi
to lumagen dvi to hdmi
to denon hdmi
to moome
Moving cables now. NOW I have a red screen, no static. |
To many adapters in the chain. You are having HDMI handshake issues because of the adapters.
Try redoing your video chain.
Oppo main out to lumagen using full HDMI. Then Oppo SUb out? or 2 out? to the Denon for just audio.
The Lumagen should be the last thing in the video chain before the Moome. By going through the Denon you are losing the benefit of the Lumagen anyway, plus causing one more thing to process the signal.
Oppo output 1 HDMI to DVI to Lumagen> Lumagen DVI to HDMI Moome
Oppo output 2 HDMI> HDMI to Denon for sound.
This should make it work. if not IDK. |
Good advice.
Jeff, also make sure your BD player is not set to 1080p 60Hz. The Vision processor cannot accept 1080p 60Hz. Instead, set your BD player to 1080p 24Hz.
Also, the Vision may have trouble driving a very long HDMI cable like from where your equipment is to the projector. You may need an HDMI extender such as the one below:
Repeater product #7700
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041914&p_id=7700&seq=1&format=4#feedback
This repeater might be better product #8120
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011012&p_id=8120&seq=1&format=2
For whatever reason, that extender doesn't come with a power supply, so you may also need to order one sepretally.
Pick up a short 6-'10' DVI>HDMI cable to run from the Lumagen to the repeaster. Do not get a cable shorter than 6' for the Vision processpr.
6' HDMI>DVI product #2218
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&cs_id=1023102&p_id=2218&seq=1&format=2
10' HDMI>DVI product #2284
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&cs_id=1023102&p_id=2284&seq=1&format=2
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| Craig wrote: | | also make sure your BD player is not set to 1080p 60Hz. The Vision processor cannot accept 1080p 60Hz. Instead, set your BD player to 1080p 24Hz. |
Doah! As usual the king of calibration nails all of the right answers the first time.
| Quote: | Do not get a cable shorter than 6' for the Vision processpr.
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Why is that? Is this something to do with pulling pin 19? Or just a radius problem?
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Why is that? Is this something to do with pulling pin 19? Or just a radius problem? |
DVI (and still HDMI) is very finicky. It was originally specified for lengths of between 6'-10' and no more or less. If the cable is too short, the cable can be overdriven and not provide enough attenuation, if it is too long than the cable may provide too much attenuation. Often you can get away with going longer or shorter, but when you have any problems cable length is the first thing to look at. Cable quality also plays a roll where smaller awg wire can go longer with less attenuation than high awg cable with more attenuation.
The early days of DVI and HDMI were a real bitch. I remember one particular install where I had to use a 25' DVI cable to connect an HD-DVD player to a receiver that was only 2' away. The long cable was the only solution on hand that could attenuate the signal so that the devices would work together.
One HUGE benefit that is often overlooked with HDMI 1.4 is that this problem was pretty much solved. The voltage tolerance for HDMI 1.4 is much higher now so longer cables (and even shorter cables) can be used with much more success than earlier versions. HDMI 1.4 has been a blessing for me because I used to have to plan on hours of wasted time trying to make systems work, and now they almost always just work out of the box.
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Ok I will give that a shot but now I foresee another issue. I use the Denon as a switcher and that would no longer be possible. I am wondering would it be better to have a dedicated swither or get a better AV amp with 2 programmable hdmi outs ?
EDIT: If so does anybody make a switcher AND repeater in one unit ?
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| jeffslife wrote: | Ok I will give that a shot but now I foresee another issue. I use the Denon as a switcher and that would no longer be possible. I am wondering would it be better to have a dedicated swither or get a better AV amp with 2 programmable hdmi outs ?
EDIT: If so does anybody make a switcher AND repeater in one unit ? |
Yes, monoprice has matrixed switch/repeaters.
However, I don't think you need it. You have BD and Sat right? BD gets split audio/video to reciever and lumagen. Sat goes DVI to Lumagen and coax audio to reciever. That's it. If you have other sources they can be wired same as sat with audio and video.
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, Craig -
Why can't he just go source > Denon > Lumagen > Moome/PJ?
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| ecrabb wrote: | Hey, Craig -
Why can't he just go source > Denon > Lumagen > Moome/PJ?
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That could work too if the Denon does not process the video at all or if the processor can be disabled. Sometimes it is hard to know if the processor is really on or off until I get my hands on it for the setup.
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Ah, that makes sense. My Integra has a "through" option, and I just assumed other AVR's would have similar. But, I can see how some wouldn't.
Personally, I'd get a different AVR if I couldn't disable the processing in it. I like the simplicity of A/V switching in the AVR (or in my case prepro) and wouldn't want to go back to dual signal paths and the extra cabling that goes along with it.
It really cleaned up my rack when I switched to an HDMI-switching prepro.
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| ecrabb wrote: | Ah, that makes sense. My Integra has a "through" option, and I just assumed other AVR's would have similar. But, I can see how some wouldn't.
Personally, I'd get a different AVR if I couldn't disable the processing in it. I like the simplicity of A/V switching in the AVR (or in my case prepro) and wouldn't want to go back to dual signal paths and the extra cabling that goes along with it.
It really cleaned up my rack when I switched to an HDMI-switching prepro.
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Or you could get a Radiance to do all the processing
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I have shorter than 6 foot dvi cables, I ordered some new ones will try that first.
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure Craig is right about the short HDMI cables, but with the little experience I have with short HDMI cables, I've never had a problem.
Just FYI.
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I had this cable issue back when I had my old zenith trying to use a monoprice switcher. The longer cable solved the problem but no one ever explained why. Now I can conflate that information and make it usable. Thanks Craig.
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OK Another dumb question, I have never used the coaxial input before, it appears to be rca, does it use a standard rca cable ?
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