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[CIR Engineering]

Jeff,

I think you are using a Moome internal card now? Or an HDF3 or HDF2? If you have any of these, go into the Oppo video setup menu and set the video output to YCbCr422. I suggest leaving deep color off, but some people like it.

In any event, YCbCr422 will provide 10-bit color and give better color definition than the default which is usually YCbCr444 or maybe RGB.

Enjoy,
craigr

[jeffslife]

Craig, I got the new moome card and do have the oppo set at 422, I have the deep color on right now I like the way it looks in the darker scenes, but I think it makes the reds too bright (just a little)
Thanks for the heads up

[stridsvognen]

I didn't know it was possible to output deep color in 422 color space, is that something new on the 93.?

Last i tested it was possible to have deep color on with 422 but it just output 8bit.

Kurt

[jeffslife]

Options are off,off dithered,30 bit,30 bit dithered, 36 bit and it will allow any to be on while on 422.
What is dithered ?
edit, these are settings on the oppo not the moome.

[ecrabb]

[HaydnG90]

[stridsvognen]

Here is some good stuff to read..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_subsampling

So for what i know, the color space don't really have anything to do with how many bit 8-10-12 or whatever, its the way the colors are put on top of the resolution. 422 like we get out of all players,its not pixel to pixel color resolution.

But selecting lets say 444 or RGB you make the player upscale your colors. Thats not very often a big hit done in a normal player.

So from what i have experienced, is that if you don't mess to much around with converting in the player, normally it will look better.

I always output 422 from my payer, into my scaler, and from there i output RGB, always made the best pq so far.

Deep color is not native in any disc i have heard about, so outputting 10-12 bit will not really help much, like you just change it, and risk messing it up.

So in my opinion deep color should not exist in any player or whatever, its just something invented for the demand of new features, and only makes a lot off confusion and worse pictures quality.

What i often notice is that if you don't see a difference in the picture sharpness and the colors, try look some fast motion.. often it will not look very smooth, like the processor in the player will not be able to calculate fast enough..

And something else.. Hope they put RGB color space on the disc before they start making 4K resolution..

I'm sure Craig can do a more prof, and technical correct answer..

[CIR Engineering]

[CIR Engineering]

[stridsvognen]

Craig, 420 10 bit yes, but with 8 bit color graduation right.. So the 10 bit is not a deep color but a Pixel bit depth, Or did i get something wrong here.?

[CIR Engineering]

[stridsvognen]

[CIR Engineering]

[stridsvognen]

My latest test was the Cambridge AZUR 651, its same as oppo93, just different front and remote.
I found it to be loading faster than my OPPO 83, and loved the 93 not using a fan, who annoyed me in both the 95 and 83..

For sound ill never use analog out on any blu ray player, they all sounds terrible, but guess that depends of peoples references.

What i noticed with the new 93 and 95 is that they have much higher ground potential, around 2x the 83..

So a player i would love to try is the THETA who is a 83 with good old trafo ps.

I'm allergic to switch mode power supply, and all the noise they send out. Unfortunate its not possible to find much video equipment whos not with SMPS.

My reason for me not keeping the oppo 93 is that i think the 2D picture looks a bit hard and artificial. I cant get the same depth in the picture. The 93 gives me a wow thats detailed feeling for 2 min, after that it annoys me.

I would have kept the Cambridge 651 if it didn't have the firmware bug, that don't alow it to output 720P and 1080i component out on BD movies.

Still would love if someone could test that feature on the OPPO 93 and see if its the same problem.