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Clarence
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| garyfritz wrote: | Holy smokes, you've only been back into vinyl for 5-6 months and you have over 400 albums. You got it bad, dude.  |
I'm being a lot more selective now. Aside from my personal favorites when I find them, I'll still pick up anything on the Rolling Stone's Top 500 list and add the album cover as a stamp when I check it off...
http://loco-photo.com/rs500.htm
Surprisingly, I "only" have 95 of that list so far.
Overall collection:
http://loco-photo.com/vinyl.htm
When I travel, I get per diem. So instead of going out for a $60 dinner, one night during the week I'll go find a record store.
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Curt Palme
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Clarence wrote: |
When I travel, I get per diem. So instead of going out for a $60 dinner, one night during the week I'll go find a record store. |
Weighs 350 lbs thanks for a McD's diet, but has equal weight in albums.
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draganm
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Clarence what do you think of the sound quality of Adele 25? Well balanced or compressed to hell by the loudness wars. I read it's the latter.
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draganm
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BOSTON isn't on the top 500 for RS?  ? Oh well, I can safely ignore that list.
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Clarence
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Got back from vacation late last night and travelled for work today so I haven't listened to Adele yet.
SRV isn't on the rs500 list either. IMHO that's a big omission too.
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El Duderino
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draganm
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wow, just awful, the LP is where I would expect the CD to be 
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draganm
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| Clarence wrote: | | SRV isn't on the rs500 list either. IMHO that's a big omission too. |
No Boston, No Rush, no Heart, and the 5 of the top ten Are Beatles. Really, that list is a stupid joke.
I mean even for someone who's a die-hard Beatles fan that list is just ridiculous, Introducing the Beatles , which is a bunch of 2 minute yeah-yeah pop-songs at #10? While the First Pink Floyd , DSOTM that was billboard top 100 for what, 20 years, at #43? First Who album at #28? Wish You were Here at #211?
I don't see the logic at all. If your going by popularity it's meaningless and if your critique is albums that influenced music as a whole it still doesn't make sense.
LOL
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kal
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| Quote: | | I mean even for someone who's a die-hard Beatles fan that list is just ridiculous, Introducing the Beatles , which is a bunch of 2 minute yeah-yeah pop-songs at #10? |
You're mixing up albums. The one at #10 is the White Album. Not "Introducing the Beatles".
The early beatles stuff is much lower - down near 50. Below Dark Side of the Moon.
That said, while I don't like the early beatles stuff much myself I do understand the impact/important of it. It completely altered the face of music. Don't confuse your music tastes with rank/importance/impact.
The list was based on the votes of 273 rock musicians, critics, and industry figures, each of whom submitted a weighted list of 50 albums - it wasn't Rolling Stone just making something up. It wasn't based on sheer sales.
| Quote: | | While the First Pink Floyd , DSOTM that was billboard top 100 for what, 20 years, at #43? |
So? DSTOTM is a great album but if Billboard ranking is important, consider that the Beatles are ranked #1 in the Top 10 Artists of all time (floyd doesn't rank). have the most number one singles (floyd doesn't rank), are #2 in the "Most cumulative weeks at number one" (floyd doesn't rank), and are #3 in "Most top 10 singles" (floyd doesn't rank):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Billboard_Hot_100_chart_achievements_and_milestones
I love Floyd (well, the stuff with Waters - not so much the solo Gilmour stuff) but I completely understand why the music industry would rank a bunch of Beatles albums up very high. I understand the impact/weight/importance of much of the Beatles music (Like Floyd, I own all of their albums too) and how earth shattering they were. Much more so than anything Floyd put out even though I prefer Floyd myself. It's easy to look at the list and say "My favourite bands aren't on there - this list is stupid!" 
That's not saying the Floyd didn't have an impact. It did. Just not as big. And the results show that. Beatles were active for 10 years, recorded 13 studio albums and have sold 600M copies. Floyd were active over a period 3 times as long, recorded 15 or so studio albums, but "only" sold ~200M copies.
I'd suggest reading some of the album descriptions in the top 10 right at the Rolling Stone site to better understand why musicians and the music industry rates them so high:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/500-greatest-albums-of-all-time-20120531
There are some really good writeups. A lot of the high ranking albums are not ones i really like, but I certainly understand why they're up there. Some of the higher ranking albums have entire documentaries about them. I've watched at least one or two on the #1 album of all time (Beatles "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band") which really helps explain the impact/importance.
Kal
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garyfritz
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| kal wrote: | | I love Floyd (well, the stuff with Waters - not so much the solo Gilmour stuff) |
Interesting how different people's tastes are. While I agree some of Waters' stuff is good (the Wall is a great example), overall I don't really care for most of his contributions that much. He insists on writing "important" music, his singing is often screechy and strident, and his lyrics (which I mostly don't focus on) are often downright depressing. I prefer beautiful melodic music -- which is what Gilmour excels at.
But I recognize the tension between Waters and Gilmour, and the combination of their strengths, probably contributed a lot of energy to their music. I figure it's very similar to the tensions between Lennon and McCartney. You can tell exactly who wrote which songs. The Beatles were at their best when Lennon and McCartney cooperated and met in the middle.
And FWIW I'm not crazy about most early Floyd either. Stuff like "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" might have been groundbreaking in the psychedelia period, but I don't want to listen to it. 
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kal
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| garyfritz wrote: | | And FWIW I'm not crazy about most early Floyd either. Stuff like "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" might have been groundbreaking in the psychedelia period, but I don't want to listen to it. |
Yeah, I tend to skip over the first few albums too. Atom Heart Mother's about as early as I go during normal listening these days... but even that's a bit odd. Meddle's about where I find they started to "make sense" but even some of those tracks tend to get weird (like Echoes about 1/2 way through).
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garyfritz
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I love several songs on AHM (though I can do without Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast), but interestingly Gilmour describes it as "pretty horrible" and "dreadful."
BTW a friend of mine has a theory on DSotM. He says the reason it was so superior and so successful is because it wasn't really a Pink Floyd album. It was really just one incarnation of the Alan Parsons Project, staffed with Waters/Gilmour/etc.
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draganm
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| kal wrote: | | That said, while I don't like the early beatles stuff much myself I do understand the impact/important of it. It completely altered the face of music. Don't confuse your music tastes with rank/importance/impact. |
I'm not confusing my likes for what the list is supposed ot represent. The Beatles re-defined music in their own little boy-band manner, great, they deserve and album or even 2 in the top 10, but 5? Was their music 10 times more influential or trans-formative than Pink Floyd, or Jimi Hendrix, or Chuck Berry, no f*cking way.
| kal wrote: | | The list was based on the votes of 273 rock musicians, critics, and industry figures, each of whom submitted a weighted list of 50 albums - it wasn't Rolling Stone just making something up. |
critics and industry figures (read salesmen). Well there you go, that explains it
| kal wrote: | | There are some really good writeups. A lot of the high ranking albums are not ones i really like, but I certainly understand why they're up there. Some of the higher ranking albums have entire documentaries about them. I've watched at least one or two on the #1 album of all time (Beatles "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band") which really helps explain the impact/importance. Kal |
link?
I personally think that album is annoying as hell, the Chorus on Lucy in the Sky makes my skin crawl. If they had written that album strictly to be used as background music in a Carnival fun-house then it would be fine but to call it the best album ever is just bewildering.
That said, I like Documentaries and try to watch them with an open mind.
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kal
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| draganm wrote: | | Was their music 10 times more influential or trans-formative than Pink Floyd, or Jimi Hendrix, or Chuck Berry, no f*cking way. |
That's one person's opinion. 273 who who work in the industry disagree with you.
| kal wrote: | The list was based on the votes of 273 rock musicians, critics, and industry figures, each of whom submitted a weighted list of 50 albums - it wasn't Rolling Stone just making something up. | draganm wrote: | | critics and industry figures (read salesmen). Well there you go, that explains it |
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You forgot rock musicians. Call me stupid, but I don't understand how rock musicians, critics, and industry figures stand to make more money by voting for one artist over another who existed a long time ago like the Beatles over Floyd, Hendrix, or Chuck Berry. Please explain. How exactly do they make more money picking the Beatles over (say) Floyd? Is it reselling of remastered albums? I could maybe see some making $$$ from that if they worked for a specific label and it helped promote their albums. But then all these albums are still for sale. So I don't get it.
| kal wrote: | | There are some really good writeups. A lot of the high ranking albums are not ones i really like, but I certainly understand why they're up there. Some of the higher ranking albums have entire documentaries about them. I've watched at least one or two on the #1 album of all time (Beatles "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band") which really helps explain the impact/importance. Kal |
Dunno - I've seen a few on TV over the years, some of them quite good. I remember one where they basically spent an hour talking to various big name musicians who analyzed each of the songs / explained their "brilliance". (There were of course all people who liked the album). If you Google "sgt peppers documentary" you may come up with some.
| Quote: | | I personally think that album is annoying as hell, the Chorus on Lucy in the Sky makes my skin crawl. If they had written that album strictly to be used as background music in a Carnival fun-house then it would be fine but to call it the best album ever is just bewildering. |
Again, one person's opinion. 273 who know a lot more about music than you don't seem to agree with that assessment.
Kal
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draganm
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| kal wrote: | Again, one person's opinion. 273 who know a lot more about music than you don't seem to agree with that assessment.
Kal |
well here's the problem, we have no f*cking idea who these people are. RS has never told us who they consulted. 273 what? is that 250 musicians and 23 sales people and critics, or the other way around?
You seem to have no problem with that, that's fine. I think it's sh*t, and there are many, many of people who feel the same. Here's one
| Quote: | | However, It doesn't take an expert in rock and roll to realize how many albums on this list do not belong and know there are glaring omissions. The list stinks of "youthful" naivete (which I would expect from 20-something editors at Rolling Stone). Some examples: The Beatles may be the most influential act in the history of rock 'n' roll, but only two or three of their albums merit listing (The White Album, Sgt. Peppers, Abbey Road) not their entire catalog. No Yes. No Rush. No Moody Blues. No Stevie Ray Vaughn. No Styx (not even Grand Illusion). No UFO (or Scorpions). C'mon have they even heard of the Shenkars? And there are three R.E.M. albums and three U2 albums. Both of those bands are heavily over-rated bands compared to the monsters who came before in hard rock / metal (some of which I name above). They include ZZ Top's Eliminator and Tres Hombres, but they don't list Fandango! ZZ Top was a platinum act long before those albums. Also Boston's self-titled debut album should be on this list, the electronics alone that Tom Scholtz built for the band were so groundbreaking, the sound was like nothing before or after as a result. My dog could have put together a better list of 500 Greatest albums of all time by lifting his leg on my album collection. |
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El Duderino
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| draganm wrote: | | well here's the problem, we have no f*cking idea who these people are. RS has never told us who they consulted. |
Yes, they did tell you who they were, in alphabetical order, if you bothered to look. See the section starting with 'Voters:'
I'd link it for you, but I think you'd likely just piss it off because XYZ wasn't included, so I'll let you dig a little, as if you're actually interested or anyone could change your tune. 
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draganm
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| El Duderino wrote: | | Yes, they did tell you who they were, in alphabetical order, if you bothered to look. See the section starting with 'Voters:' |
thanks, that was not easy to find , but here it is and thanks for proving my point , your a pal
Just as I thought, Almost entirely A bunch of Industry hacks, rappers, and second rate musicians 
Voters: Bill Adler (Biographer, Run-DMC), Lou Adler (Producer), Vince Aletti (Writer), Art Alexakis (Everclear), Pelle Almqvist (The Hives), Billy Altman (Writer), Jeff Ament (Pearl Jam), Roger Ames (Former chairman and CEO, Warner Music Group), Billie Joe Armstrong (Green Day), Nicholaus Arson (The Hives), Dick Asher (Former CEO, Polygram Records), James Austin (Former A&R, Rhino Records), Michael Azerrad (Writer), Irving Azoff (Executive chairman, Live Nation), Martin Bandier (Chairman and CEO, Sony/ATV), Devendra Banhart, Peter Barakan (Radio host), Johnny Barbis (Chairman, Rocket Music), Ken Barnes (Writer), Kevin Barnes (Of Montreal), Frank Barsalona (Former consultant, William Morris Agency), Rostam Batmanglij (Vampire Weekend), David Bauder (Writer), Beck, Jules Belkin (Former president, Belkin Productions),Andy Bell (Erasure), Bill Belmont (Former VP, international operations, Fantasy Records), Bill Bentley (Director, A&R, Vanguard Records), Steve Berkowitz (Senior VP, A&R, Legacy Recordings), James Bernard (Co-founder, The Source and XXL magazines), Cathy Bernardy Jones (Former editor, Goldmine magazine), Guy Berryman (Coldplay), Jim Bessman (Writer), Les Bider (Former chairman and CEO, Warner/Chappell Music), Scott Billington (VP, A&R, Rounder Records), Mark Binelli (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Rodney Bingenheimer (Radio personality), David Bither (Senior VP, Nonesuch Records), Hal Blaine (Drummer), Jerry Blavat (Radio and TV personality), Mary J. Blige, Nathan Brackett (Deputy managing editor, Rolling Stone), Laurent Brancowitz (Phoenix), Harriett Brand (Former senior VP, Universal Music Group), Jon Bream (Writer), Isaac Brock (Modest Mouse), Harold Bronson (Co-founder, Rhino Records), David Browne (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Duncan Browne (COO, Newbury Comics), Jackson Browne, Jonny Buckland (Coldplay), Bebe Buell, Solomon Burke (1940-2010), Cliff Burnstein (Co-founder, Q Prime), James Burton (Guitarist), Geezer Butler (Black Sabbath), Jerry Butler (R&B singer), Joe Butler (The Lovin' Spoonful), Tom Calderone (President, VH1), Mike Carabello (Santana), Jon Caramanica (Pop critic, The New York Times), Patrick Carney (The Black Keys), Rosemary Carroll (Entertainment lawyer), Will Champion (Coldplay), Brian Chase (Yeah Yeah Yeahs), Marshall Chess (Producer), Deborah Chessler (Songwriter), Robert Christgau (Writer), Lauren Christy (Producer), Jarvis Cocker (Pulp), Mitchell Cohen (VP, A&R, Verve Records), Chris Connelly (Correspondent, ESPN), Tom Constanten (Pianist-composer), Tré Cool (Green Day), Gerard Cosloy (Co-owner, Matador Records), Tommy Couch (Sr. President, Malaco Music Group), Wayne Coyne (The Flaming Lips), Bill Crandall (Head of content, Rolling Stone Online), Cameron Crowe (Writer-director), Will Dana (Managing editor, Rolling Stone) Britt Daniel (Spoon), Clive Davis (Chief creative officer, Sony Music Worldwide), Anthony DeCurtis )Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Ron Delsener (Chairman, Live Nation – New York), John Densmore (The Doors), Don DeVito (Producer (1939-2011)), Rob Dickins (Founder, Instant Karma Records), Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden), Dion DiMucci, Dr. John, Jon Dolan (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Antoine "Fats" Domino, Jancee Dunn (Writer), The Edge (U2), Ben Edmonds (Writer), Gavin Edwards (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Graham Edwards (Songwriter and producer), Jenny Eliscu (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Missy Elliott, Michael Endelman (Former senior editor, Rolling Stone), Thomas Erdelyi (Ramones), Melissa Etheridge, Suzan Evans (Former executive director, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame), Phil Everly (Everly Brothers), Bob Ezrin (Producer), Art Fein (Author, TV talk-show host), Danny Fields (Writer, former Stooges and Ramones manager), Jason Fine (Editor at large, Rolling Stone), Jim Fishel (Producer), Bill Flanagan (Editorial director, VH1), Flea (Red Hot Chili Peppers), Chet Flippo (Editorial director, Country Music Television), Jason Flom (President, Lava Records), Caleb Followill (Kings of Leon), Jared Followill (Kings of Leon), Matthew Followill (Kings of Leon), Nathan Followill (Kings of Leon), Ben Fong-Torres (Writer, broadcaster), Richard Foos Founder, (Shout! Factory), Pete Frame (Rock genealogist), Chris Frantz (Talking Heads), Nicole Frehsée (Former assistant editor, Rolling Stone), David Fricke (Senior writer, Rolling Stone), John Frusciante (Red Hot Chili Peppers), Richie Furay (Buffalo Springfield), Elysa Gardner (Writer), Art Garfunkel, Rob Garza(Thievery Corporation), David Geffen (Co-founder, DreamWorks), Gregg Geller (Producer), Gary Gersh (Founder, Strummer Recordings), Andy Gershon (Executive VP, Epic Records), Billy Gibbons (ZZ Top), Charlie Gillett (Radio broadcaster, BBC (1942- 2010)), Mikal Gilmore (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Daniel Glass (Founder, Glassnote Records), Gerry Goffin (Songwriter, producer), Jeff Gold (Owner, recordmecca.com), Michael Goldberg (Editor in chief, neumu.net), Gary Graff (Writer), Andy Greene (Associate editor, Rolling Stone Online), Ellie Greenwich (Songwriter (1940-2009)), Peter Guralnick (Writer), Brett Gurewitz (Founder, Epitaph Records), Kirk Hammett (Metallica), Albert Hammond Jr. 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Kallman (Chairman and CEO, Atlantic Records), John David Kalodner (Former A&R executive, Geffen Records), Tony Kanal (No Doubt), Peter Katsis (Manager-partner, Prospect Park), Jorma Kaukonen (Jefferson Airplane), Lenny Kaye (Guitarist), Mark Kemp (Writer), Kid Cudi (Rapper), Carole King, Marc Kirkeby (Music archivist, writer), Howie Klein (Former president, 415 and Reprise Records), Ezra Koenig (Vampire Weekend), Greg Kot (Writer), Howard Kramer (Director of curatorial affairs, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame), Bob Krasnow (Producer), Lenny Kravitz, Damian Kulash (OK Go), Miranda Lambert, Andrew Lauder (Music executive), David Leaf (TV writer, producer), Brenda Lee, David Lefkowitz (Composer), Adam Levine (Maroon 5), Arthur Levy (Writer), Joe Levy (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Alan Light (Writer), Lil Wayne, Amy Linden (Writer), Kurt Loder (Writer), Greg Loescher (Former editor and publisher, Goldmine magazine), Roy Lott (Former president, Virgin Records), Leigh Lust (Former VP of A&R, Atlantic Records), Stan Lynch (Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers), Melissa Maerz (Former senior editor, Rolling Stone), Stephen Malkmus, Shirley Manson (Garbage), Ray Manzarek (The Doors), Thomas Mars (Phoenix), Chris Martin (Coldplay), Mac McCaughan (Co-founder, Merge Records), Joe McEwen (VP, A&R, Concord Music Group), Paul McGuinness (Manager, U2), Christine McVie (Fleetwood Mac), Brad Mehldau (Jazz pianist), Colin Meloy (The Decemberists), Peter Mensch (Co-owner, Q Prime), M.I.A., Milo Miles (Critic, NPR commentator), Kirk Miller (Former associate editor, Rolling Stone), David Mills (TV writer, The Wire(1952-2010)), Martin Mills (Founder, Beggars Banquet Records), Willie Mitchell (Musician-producer (1928-2010)), Moby, Joseph Modeliste (The Meters), Tom Moon (Writer), Tom Morello (The Nightwatchman), Fabrizio Moretti (The Strokes), Bruce Morrow (Radio personality), Steve Morse (Writer), Alan Moulder (Producer-engineer), Jason Mraz, Dave Navarro (Jane’s Addiction), Tom Nawrocki 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Network), Robbie Robertson (The Band), Chris Robinson (The Black Crowes), Cynthia Robinson (Sly and the Family Stone), Bob Rock (Producer), Jody Rosen (Senior critic, Rolling Stone), Rick Rubin (Producer, co-founder, Def Jam), Paul Samwell-Smith (Producer; the Yardbirds), Bob Santelli (Executive director, the Grammy Museum), Austin Scaggs (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Timothy B. Schmit (Eagles), Fred Schneider (The B-52's), Jordan Schur (President, Suretone Records), Andy Schwartz (Writer), Bud Scoppa (Writer), Gene Sculatti (Writer), John Sebastian (The Lovin' Spoonful), Pete Seeger, Joel Selvin (Music critic, San Francisco Chronicle), Matt Serletic (Producer), Evan Serpick (Former associate editor, Rolling Stone), Paul Shaffer (Musical director, Late Show With David Letterman), Ron Shapiro (Co-founder, Plan A Media), Rob Sheffield (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Mike Shinoda (Linkin Park), Tom Silverman (Founder and CEO, Tommy Boy Records), Barbara Skydel (Senior VP, William Morris Agency (1940-2010)), Larry Sloven (Co-owner, executive producer, HighTone Records), Joe Smith (Chairman, Unison Productions), Britney Spears, Scott Spencer (Novelist), Scott Spock (Producer), Freddie Stewart (Sly and the Family Stone), Gary Stewart (Singer-songwriter (1945-2003)), Brian Stoltz (Funky Meters, the Neville Brothers, Bob Dylan), Neil Strauss (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Keith Strickland (The B-52's), Patrick Stump (Fall Out Boy), John Sykes (President, Clear Channel Entertainment Enterprises), Jeff Tamarkin (Writer), Corey Taylor (Slipknot), Al Teller (Former head, CBS, Columbia and RCA Records), Bruce Thomas (Elvis Costello and the Attractions), Touré (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Allen Toussaint (Producer-songwriter), Roy Trakin (Senior editor, Hits magazine), Jeff Tweedy (Wilco), Lars Ulrich (Metallica), Nick Valensi (The Strokes), Hilton Valentine (The Animals), Andrew VanWyngarden (MGMT), Steven Van Zandt, Tom Vickers (A&R consultant), Butch Vig (Garbage, producer), Phil Walden (Former president, Velocette Records (1940-2006)), Wale (Rapper), Barry Walters (Writer), Bill Ward (Black Sabbath), Gerard Way (My Chemical Romance), Harry Weinger (VP, A&R, Universal Music Enterprises), Eric Weisbard (Writer), Barry Weiss (CEO, Universal Republic, Island Def Jam Records), Hy Weiss (Founder, Old Town Records (1923-2007)), Steve Weitzman (President, SW Productions), Jann S. Wenner (Editor and publisher, Rolling Stone), Pete Wentz (Fall Out Boy), Tina Weymouth (Talking Heads), Joel Whitbur (President, Record Research), David Whitehead (Owner, Maine Road Management), David Wild (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Will.i.am, Lucinda Williams, Hal Willner (Music producer), Muff Winwood (Former president, Sony U.K. A&R), Douglas Wolk (Writer), Richard Wright (Pink Floyd (1943-2008)), Robert Wright, Howard Wuelfing (Howlin’ Wuelf Media), Adam Yauch (Beastie Boys)
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Any list will always be met with lots of criticism, impossible for people to agree.
Is it perfect? No, Probably not. Is the whole list a "stupid joke" like you say just because some bands you think are important are missing? Of course not. Lots of good stuff in there.
Instead of just complaining about what everyone else does/says/thinks, do something about it, incite change by making your own list. Then share it. See what people say. You can use the RS500 list as a starting point.
Kal
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El Duderino
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Location: Portland, OR
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| draganm wrote: | thanks, that was not easy to find , but here it is and thanks for proving my point , your a pal
Just as I thought, Almost entirely A bunch of Industry hacks, rappers, and second rate musicians :thumbsup |
Ha! Thanks for proving MY point that you'll instantly toss it to the curb and display confirmation bias. Also, way to step up and stand corrected on your assertion that "we have no f*cking idea who these people are. RS has never told us who they consulted"
I'm curious. Are you any kind of a musician? Have you formally studied music? Worked in the music business? If you're not experienced or accomplished in any of these things, its pretty hollow to lob rocks at those who have and label them as a bunch of hacks. 
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draganm
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Location: Colorado
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| kal wrote: | Any list will always be met with lots of criticism, impossible for people to agree.
Instead of just complaining about what everyone else does/says/thinks, do something about it, incite change by making your own list. Then share it. See what people say. You can use the RS500 list as a starting point.
Kal |
what a great suggestion. My list won't be perfect either, but it would be hard to get something worse than that Rolling Stoned mess. I'm not doing 500 either, since I won't be compiling from 270+ people, maybe 50.
| El Duderino wrote: | | Ha! Thanks for proving MY point that you'll instantly toss it to the curb and display confirmation bias. |
I said early in the thread that it was probably a bunch of industry hacks and not many notable musicians , and that's exactly what it was. sorry if that really bothers you , but you can call it confirmation bias or whatever label makes you happy
| El Duderino wrote: | | Also, way to step up and stand corrected on your assertion that "we have no f*cking idea who these people are. RS has never told us who they consulted" |
So what? Even after you told me there was a list it wasn't easy to find. You had to look at the very end of the 500 albums and then scroll all the way down. ?Google couldn't find it and in other conversations people complained about it being unknown. It's Great you found the list, here's an atta boy.
| El Duderino wrote: | | I'm curious. Are you any kind of a musician? Have you formally studied music? Worked in the music business? If you're not experienced or accomplished in any of these things, its pretty hollow to lob rocks at those who have and label them as a bunch of hacks. |
unless your daddy worked at Rolling Stone there's no reason to get nasty with the Ad Hominem attack. Yeah the list is a bunch of corporate execs and music business agents, there's very few musicians anyone ever heard of. What is it about that that made you so uptight? If you think the list is awesome then post some facts backing that up instead of attacking me.
Or,
IF you need to, excuse yourself from the conversation, go and pull that stick out of your ass, then come back when you're ready to play nicely.
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