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Question about Gamma Boosters...

 
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jrodefeld



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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:03 pm    Post subject: Question about Gamma Boosters...

Hello everyone,

I was reading the "GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES" thread and noticed that part where the author recommended a Gamma Booster of some kind to get the correct gamma and restore shadow detail in a display.

Could someone elaborate and expand on how useful and important is would be to add an external gamma booster to a home theater setup?

I have a 50" plasma tv. It is a Pioneer Kuro. The blacks are fantastic but I sometimes feel like I am losing shadow detail. So I wonder if adding a gamma booster could really make a difference.

Of course I haven't calibrated the display yet either, so I'm sure the shadow detail can and will get significantly better when I adjust the settings correctly.

One thing I find confusing was that all the devices the author recommended in the calibration guide where for RGB signals through a computer VGA port.

Now, all my devices in my home theater are connected through HDMI. Wouldn't I want a gamma booster device that has HDMI inputs and outputs?


So, please help me out here. Do you thing I could benefit from a Gamma Booster like those mentioned in the guide?

And is there an inexpensive (relatively speaking) gamma corrector device that has HDMI inputs?

I would love to buy something like the GammaX except with HDMI inputs.

Please help me out. I would really appreciate it.
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kal
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:23 pm    Post subject:

Hi,

Kal here, author of the guide you're reading.

See here: Gamma Correction: What is it? Why is it needed?

Re-read the guide too as there's a ton of information on gamma and why it's used in there. Search for "gamma" in the guide and you'll come up with a ton of info. The Gamma Correction: What is it? Why is it needed? link is from the guide.

You would indeed want something with HDMI input/output. I've never heard of a standalone HDMI box with gamma adjustment but most video processors have gamma adjustment built in. Something like the high end Radiance provide multi-point (parametric) gamma boost too. See: http://www.curtpalme.com/Radiance.shtm

It's not something that is used to only do gamma however. Nobody would spend that much money only for that.

If you haven't calibrated yet I'd suggest you calibrate to see how off your gamma is. If you're missing black detail it could be as simply as boosting the brightness to the right level.

You say you think you are losing shadow detail but without calibrating and looking at your gamma curve you'll have no way of knowing where the problem is. You need to measure first, see what the problem is, and then apply the right solution to fix it. Anything else is just guessing.

Kal

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jrodefeld



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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:37 pm    Post subject:

kal wrote:
Hi,

Kal here, author of the guide you're reading.

See here: Gamma Correction: What is it? Why is it needed?

Re-read the guide too as there's a ton of information on gamma and why it's used in there. Search for "gamma" in the guide and you'll come up with a ton of info. The Gamma Correction: What is it? Why is it needed? link is from the guide.

You would indeed want something with HDMI input/output. I've never heard of a standalone HDMI box with gamma adjustment but most video processors have gamma adjustment built in. Something like the high end Radiance provide multi-point (parametric) gamma boost too. See: http://www.curtpalme.com/Radiance.shtm

It's not something that is used to only do gamma however. Nobody would spend that much money only for that.

If you haven't calibrated yet I'd suggest you calibrate to see how off your gamma is. If you're missing black detail it could be as simply as boosting the brightness to the right level.

You say you think you are losing shadow detail but without calibrating and looking at your gamma curve you'll have no way of knowing where the problem is. You need to measure first, see what the problem is, and then apply the right solution to fix it. Anything else is just guessing.

Kal


Thanks for the response. From what I did read on the guide, I am assuming that not all displays would benefit from gamma boosters? I know the Pioneer Kuros are pretty good displays, so I am not sure how good the gamma is once calibrated.

I guess I will find out.

But regardless, I figured that high end video processors like the Radiance would use HDMI inputs. However, I cannot justify spending that kind of money at this point.

I was hoping there was some kind of solution for a couple hundred dollars or less that would only boost gamma. Just a simple solution like the GammaX.

If such a solution doesn't exist I won't bother with expensive video processors.

Perhaps you could elaborate on how much you think Gamma Boosters would benefit someone like me with a pretty decent display (a Kuro)? The impression I got from the article is that nearly everyone could benefit from it.

Thanks for your help in clarifying this issue.
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kal
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:47 pm    Post subject:

jrodefeld wrote:
Thanks for the response. From what I did read on the guide, I am assuming that not all displays would benefit from gamma boosters?

Correct.

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I know the Pioneer Kuros are pretty good displays, so I am not sure how good the gamma is once calibrated. I guess I will find out.

Yup. Without at least measuring you have no way of knowing.

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I was hoping there was some kind of solution for a couple hundred dollars or less that would only boost gamma. Just a simple solution like the GammaX.

Not that I'm aware of. Some displays may have built in gamma adjustments too. I have no idea if yours does.

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Perhaps you could elaborate on how much you think Gamma Boosters would benefit someone like me with a pretty decent display (a Kuro)? The impression I got from the article is that nearly everyone could benefit from it.

It's extremely rare that a display has gamma that tracks 100% perfectly from black to white. The farther off a display is, the more it would benefit from adjustment. Every display is different. Even two displays of the same model will be different. I have no how Kuros typically track post calibration. That would probably be a question for someone who does calibration for a living and has seen 1000's of different displays.

You really need to measure to see. You're trying to solve a problem before you've determined that you even have a problem. To properly set gamma you also need to measure.

I would not worry about an issue until you've determined that you have the issue.

Measure first to assess. Then decide on the course of action.

Kal

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garyfritz



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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject:

CRTs have a known standard response curve that benefits from gamma boost. Plasmas I'm not sure about. Kal, do you happen to know what the normal response curve is on plasmas?

jrodefeld, Kal is right (of course Smile). Measure and calibrate, then measure the calibrated results. Find out if your display, when properly calibrated, has an issue or not.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:31 pm    Post subject:

From what I understand, most digitals do pretty well without a gamma boost. With CRT is almost a requirement. I don't think I've ever seen one CRT that couldn't benefit from it. Always best to measure like you said however.

Kal

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