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jbmeyer13 · Joined: 03 Dec 2010 Posts: 1135

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

Required reading for using a VP or a Home theater PC.

http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=737385

Nashou

innof · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 193

I'm not seeming to follow the proverbial chain of command here:

PS3 > HDMI to DVI cable > Lumagen Video Processor > ? > HD Fury > Marquee 8500

I think I missed something Confused

And, Thanx Very Much for the link Nashou; I will certainly take the time to read it. In gratitude to all whom have contributed here - Cheers! I actually managed to absorb a considerable amount of useful information Thumbs Up

jbmeyer13 · Joined: 03 Dec 2010 Posts: 1135

You'll need another HDMI to DVI cable to make this work (Bluejeans cables are great)

1) The PS3 outputs HDMI which is then inputted to the HDQ's DVI input.

2) You will then run the second cable from the HDQ's DVI output and connect to HDFury HDMI input.

3) HD Fury connects directly to PJ.

So figure $225 for Lumagen and $40-50 for 2 HDMI to DVI cables. I would call Blue Jeans and tell them what you are doing; that way you'll ensure that you get the correctly terminated cables (male/female).

innof · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 193

Okay, that makes sense Smile

I was missing a cable in my assessment - Thanx! Now, where do I find a used Moome card for cheap....... And, I will wash dishes, windows in exchange

Phoenixed · Joined: 13 Oct 2011 Posts: 514 Location: The mitten

Dragan. The lumagen vision won't accept 1080p60 only 1080p24

innof · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 193

Is there a specific reason that most have recommended the Lumagen HDQ? Is it the bestbangfor your buck, or, are there like priced processors that are just are good (if not better + that may also do 1080P60). Thanx Smile

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

Its a legacy Processor form lumagen that was 2k new. It also has RGBHV outs which can do 1080p@72hz from its analog output.
The Fury will take care of the HDCP issues. it can be placed before the Lumagen as well . There are many solutions to get Blu Ray or
other HDCP encrypted sources to your Marquee. Moome also makes a 4 input dual output MUX-HD that i think is his best product.
It will allow HDCD encrypted sources to be connected to non HDCP analog displays via HDMI.

The DVI outputs from the HDQ can not do the 1080p272HZ that many CRT'rs like , but the analog outs will, hence the reason I like the MUX-HD before the HDQ.

The latest Limagens are all digital, no analog outs. and cost close to 3k.

I think the lumagen HDQ and either the moome VIM-HD or the Moome MUX-HD is the way to go.

Athanasios

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jbmeyer13 · Joined: 03 Dec 2010 Posts: 1135

innof · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 193

Athanasios - Is the legacy processor you are referring to indeed the Lumagen HDQ (I want to be certain here)? Also, I am (humbly) assuming that there was a clerical error in your post where you stipulated "1080P@272Hz" Did you mean "72Hz"? And, based on draganm last reply, I am really friggin' tempted to get a Moome card now....... So, is the best I can expect with this configuration to be what you outlined here: "have you tried sending it 1080P24, and have the scaler do all the work? Just thinking out loud here, I'm not a scaler guy. Since your back to the 8500 though I would expect the best signal = 1080P24 to scaler then 1440 x 810 @72Hz to the 8500 to be optimum. The scaler would be "throwing away" exactly 25% of the Pixel content and multiplying the refresh by exactly 300% so it should be artifact free picture with no judder". In other words, 1080P@60Hz nor 1080P@72Hz is not possible (compelling me to further inquire why these are obviously preferable over 1080P@24Hz Confused

). I interjected this last comment because jbmeyer13 has volunteered that 1080P@48Hz is best for film, which is what the projector will be primarily processing, Blu-Ray discs. Thank Very Much all once again! The quest persists Cool

innof · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 193

I need to know if any of you fellows are close by and can come by to kick the tyres of this set-up..........

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

Lumagen is the best device to own if you have a CRT for the Color calibration alone. Plus you get a lot more.
if you have a way to eliminate HDCP before the lumagen then no HDMI card in the marquee is needed to be honest.
Now I use both the HDMI card and the Moome MUX-HD, why? Because I hate HDCP/HDMI!!! these devices together give me no
issues at all with a no picture situation.

So i thin for the 199 they are selling for on e-bay right now its a no brainer, especially since he has a fury to go before the Lumie.

Athanasios

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

Ok here is how I would set up your System. Blu ray to HD FURY>HDQ> RGBHV to Marquee. My sat box doesnt have any HDCP issues so it went into the DVI of the Lumie. Set your BD to 1080p@24 and out put from the Lumagen 800p@72 via the RGBHV to the Marquee.

Athanasios

jbmeyer13 · Joined: 03 Dec 2010 Posts: 1135

Phoenixed · Joined: 13 Oct 2011 Posts: 514 Location: The mitten

Dragan.

With you and Nash as teachers...what could possibly go wrong...?

innof · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 193

Can someone please explain how 800P/72 is equal to 1080P/72? I'm getting the impression that to achieve an optimal image, there needs to be multiple settings for different films based on their respective aspect ratios; is this accurate? And to think that I believed that I was set with a HD Fury and my PS3 for the sheer sake of versatility. IF I were to consider a "proper" Blu-Ray player, what direction should I be heading in......?

jbmeyer13 · Joined: 03 Dec 2010 Posts: 1135

When you watch a film with an aspect ratio of 2.35 on a screen with an aspect ratio of 1.78 you see black "letterbox" bars at the top and bottom of the image. When you run 1080p those bars take up approximately 280 lines of resolution so the active image is 800 lines. Bandwith is being wasted on those black bars.

When you run 800p on the Lumagen you will still see the black letterbox bars but the bandwith is only used for the 800 lines of the active image. This provides for a sharper, cleaner overall image with less artifacts and is easier on the projector.

So 1080p/72 and 800p/72 have exactly the same amount of active image lines (800) but 1080/72 uses much greater bandwith with no improvement in image quality.

You are correct that to achieve optimal image quality you will need multiple settings and that is why the Lumagen HDQ is so helpful; otherwise you are limited to what the BD player outputs. There are many good choices for BD players but I think the consensus around here is that the Oppo is the best.

innof · Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 193

Thanx justin, that makes sense. I've never seen any black bars on any of the movies that I've ever used. Is there a "universal" setting which is best applicable in a homogeneous sense? And, how difficult is it to set all of the parameters on the video processor? Will i need specialized equipment to do it?