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10PG -> 10PGplus modding
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:11 pm    Post subject:

2580 is for unlock an unknown password, but you are not allowed to set a new password to 2580 nor 0000.

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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:08 am    Post subject:

Thanks gjaky, your post gave the solution. Too bad that I cannot set the standard 2580 password anymore. What if I forget the custom pass? Oh, I could post it here Thumbs Up Will do after it is changed from my personal default 4 digit pass code.

Other than that the mod is completed. Only the donor PGplus waits to be completed with the PG parts.

Had the 10 PG and 10 PGplus running in stack mode and was frightend to get used to the contrast power of the picture. As convergence and picture stability was hard to match I think to be better of with a single Projector. The stacking is a nice toy and playing around with is fun. Overall picture quality and user comfort is better with a single projector though. Some very experienced guy even stated that the G90 would be the only machine to have sufficient stability for converging two 1080P pictures.

At high contrast setting the 10PG has a power supply issue which the xtra never had. Anybody knows, if I can use two power supply units in parallel to increase stability?

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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject:

The 2580 unlocks ALL unknown passcode 2580 is the MASTER code, that's why you are not allowed to set it to 2580.

You can't simply parallel power supplies.

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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:51 pm    Post subject:

I guess I could but would I like the consequences? If it is juust a tripping unit with failure code, then that would be better than white smoke or sparkling rain.
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:19 pm    Post subject: PG won't fire up anymore

Hi,

sin ce some time my machine is having issues, flipping out on convergence, flickering blue , scrambeled menues. Thought it would be related to warm ambient summer tempertures, maybe one of the extra fans died. Yet I didn't bother to open the hushbox and check.

Then the start up probs began, it took several attempts untill the tubes would fire up. Since tonight they don't light up, even after 10 or more trials.

Could that be the power supply?

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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:07 pm    Post subject:

The scrambled menu symptom can actually cause no picture condition as well. I don't know if the PG+ has the automatic picture mute during scan switching function, if it has disable it. After that, If a no picture condition appears try to push the "end" button a few times, it should bring back the picture IF the scrambling is causing the no picture condition.
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:43 pm    Post subject:

No, there is a fault here, and you need to open that projector up and check a few things, starting with the scan fail lights on the DEF board.
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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:21 am    Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman wrote:
No, there is a fault here, and you need to open that projector up and check a few things, starting with the scan fail lights on the DEF board.


Not that the scrambling menu is not a fault... Wink Otherwise if any of the scan fail lights are on that causes an immediate shut down with an error code, but of course he should check that too.
We don't know if he is still running on the original cap base the unit, that could be an other clue.

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Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:22 am    Post subject:

The scramble menus probably is the DEF board if the source is not locking, and that is what I gather he is trying to say, although I cant be sure.
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: PG won't fire up anymore

hansilili wrote:
Hi,

sin ce some time my machine is having issues, flipping out on convergence, flickering blue , scrambeled menues. Thought it would be related to warm ambient summer tempertures, maybe one of the extra fans died. Yet I didn't bother to open the hushbox and check.

Then the start up probs began, it took several attempts untill the tubes would fire up. Since tonight they don't light up, even after 10 or more trials.

Could that be the power supply?

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hansilili


I had the exact same problems when it was time to re-cap my PG10. They are getting old.


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hansilili



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Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:27 pm    Post subject:

Right now the problem is that the tubes won't light up at all. Before that there was just weird behaviour once in a while, later then came the start up probs on top.

Today I faced my anxiety and opened the hush box. Display shows oo, so no error message. But the red LED nect to the 3 defocus pots on the def board lights up. So what does that mean?

and no, I don't want to recap the whole projector.

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Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject:

Okay, forum search gave me one hit. Curt advised elsewhere to disconnect focus and convergence board to narrow down the fault. However, there the machine shut down after a couple of secs an two LEDs lit. My machine runs steadily and only one the one LED lights - and none of the tubes.
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Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:19 pm    Post subject:

That is indeed strange. That LED indicates the vertical deflection failure. With that the machine usually shuts itself off. If you have a spare deflection board (even from a plain PG) you should swap it to find out if really the DEF board is bad.
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Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:19 pm    Post subject:

yes, I can swap the Def board (and hopefully don't blow the spare as well)

Still, can that be the reason for no light from the bulbs?

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Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:15 pm    Post subject:

You either need to go through and check capacitors or you need to buy all the boards from someone that has replaced them allready. That is your two options at this point i reckon.
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:27 pm    Post subject:

This morning I checked my spare 10PG and it worked just fine. So I took it's defelction board and put it on the 10PG+. The tubes still don't light up but now there is no red LED lit.

After 30 sec or so the projector shut down with E0 error. This could be related to my fan tuning, which is partly fed by 15V taken from the original 10PG+ Def Board (not in service for this test).

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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:44 pm    Post subject:

There's a small capacitor near the middle of the deflection board that can trip the HV line.

I had no HV after a long time not running my pg10. After tearing my hair out, Curt mentioned this to me and.... that's what it was.

It's near one of the LED's I think. I'm out of the PG market completely (Went digital) so I can't give you the location number.

But it's a very quick one to try before you go mad.

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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:43 am    Post subject:

Why is this dance still going? Just buy a nice unit from Curt.
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:47 am    Post subject:

digitalayon wrote:
Why is this dance still going? Just buy a nice unit from Curt.


So he should just throw out his projectors? Why not just fix it if he can? There are a few people here who can actually trouble shoot a pj, but with this effort we should close up this whole forum and only leave a small message: "Buy a new one from Curt" Very Happy

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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:52 pm    Post subject:

digitalayon wrote:
Why is this dance still going? Just buy a nice unit from Curt.

Because this is a machine worth fixing. Why are you here asking that question?

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