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ronhowes
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| Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:16 am Post subject: And - Screenshots! |
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So I have finally gotten brave enough to post some screenshots!
The projector is a Marquee 8500 with about 18,500 hours on it that I got for free from where I work, but had the dreaded P14 tube heater death. With some "new" tubes (Thank you Azi) it now runs well. I have done the LVPS voltage and noise mods, otherwise stock.
I'm driving it with a scratch built HTPC running Ubuntu 9.10 and the VLC media player. DVD drive, ATI Radeon 9250 video card, VGA to RGBVH cable to the projector. I'm running the projector at 1280 X 960p, which seems about right from a resolution standpoint, so widescreen material scales vertically down from 960 lines. I like older 4:3 films, so I'm not planning on doing the anamorphic mods. Screen is 100" diagonal video format.
Things are still not optimum (the screen is just plain white bond paper taped on the wall - gain less than 1 and color balance unknown, focus needs a bit of tweaking, etc) but still not looking too bad. Brightness is at 40, contrast at 45 - I'll tweak those once I get a better screen up, and I'm still playing with gamma and such in the VLC player.
Image descriptions and links as follows - all taken with a Canon Powershot SD870 on a tripod. Note - My ISP's web server is kinda slow, so be patient while these load.
DVD clips:
1. "Treasure Island" from Walt Disney Productions, 1950, regular DVD
http://www.usinternet.com/users/ronjoycehow/treasure_1.jpg
2. "Up", Walt Disney Pictures and Pixar Animation Studios, 2009, regular DVD
http://www.usinternet.com/users/ronjoycehow/up_1.jpg
3. "Casino Royale", Columbia Pictures and Eon Productions, 2006 (probably a familiar shot)
http://www.usinternet.com/users/ronjoycehow/casino_r_1.jpg
Static images from the POVRAY "Hall of Fame" - all are 1280 x 960 pixels (see http://hof.povray.org/ for the complete POVRAY gallery these came from)
1. A rendering of a McIntosh 275, "A McIntosh in the Kitchen", Marc Jacquier, Copyright 2004
http://www.usinternet.com/users/ronjoycehow/mc_kitchen_1.jpg
2. A desert landscape, "The Eye" by Christoph Hormann, Copyright 2002
http://www.usinternet.com/users/ronjoycehow/the_eye_1.jpg
Ron Howes
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Tim in Phoenix
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Hello
The anamorphic mod does not affect 4:3 capability, it just makes shorter raster height possible for HDTV and BluRay.
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Blockbullie
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if you were to load these any of those pictures on a computer . would you say the pictures do the 8500 's picture justice. or does the picture just suck.
I know when I tried taking pictures , It lost the sharpness to my picture. To me the pictures looked grainy. could be the source,or even the video card.
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dvh99
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those pics look not so great.
i bet you can get much better results with a good setup even on paper  .
use media player classic.
it has all sorts of filters built in and provides a far better picture then vlc does.
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/combined_community_codec_pack.htm
link for the codecs and media player classic, click on Download Combined Community Codec Pack.
the next pic is color calibrated by eye  .
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stefuel
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Here's 960P on what some here would consider the butt-hole of CRT projectors.
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Jeremy112
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| Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome to the community Ron!
Don't get discouraged about your setup, I think for any first timer with a CRT PJ to be able to set it up themselves and even make it watchable (which yours is most certainly watchable) it looks great.
I have to say though, if you would do high defenition video your machine would look so much better, 4:3 videos will not do your projector justice. You can still watch them even in a widescreen/anamorphic setup.
if its the "black" (or white on PJ screens) bars that you don't like, the best fix for that when you build yourself a screen would be to do screen masking panels for the screen.
Still think you did A.O.K. on your marquee! Also on your marquee Id do a resolution of 1280x1024 setup for 4:3 (or 5:4). A Marquee 8500 can easily handle it no problem!
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| stefuel wrote: | | Here's 960P on what some here would consider the butt-hole of CRT projectors. |
What projector is this screenshot from anyway??
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Blockbullie
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since thats not a lc machine It should be a much sharper image, save some money up and get a moomie hdmi card It makes a huge difference. and you can plug a blu-ray directly into it. you should get the ahhh affect after installing that. If not you still need to fine tune it.
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Jeremy112
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Also if your using the Stock HD-8 lenses your SERIOUSLY missing out on sharpness. Get a set of HD-144 or HD-145 lenses with the Joust mods to make them physically fit, and be dazzled. Seriously, the HD-8 lenses are junk, worst focus I've ever seen out of a lens. You won't regret spending the money on the new ones, I'll guarantee it!
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| Jeremy112 wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | Here's 960P on what some here would consider the butt-hole of CRT projectors. |
What projector is this screenshot from anyway?? |
AmPro 4600HD pre red c-element. Doesn't the focus just suck the way everyone says they do 
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Jeremy112
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| stefuel wrote: | | Jeremy112 wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | Here's 960P on what some here would consider the butt-hole of CRT projectors. |
What projector is this screenshot from anyway?? |
AmPro 4600HD pre red c-element. Doesn't the focus just suck the way everyone says they do |
Bah, it looks fine to me, Id take a 4600 over any ES projector, thats for sure! 
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ronhowes
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:57 am Post subject: And - screenshots! |
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Much appreciate the comments so far.
More info - Yes, stock HD8 lenses, and I have already noted the focus issues. Struggled with that for awhile until finally realizing that's the best I can get.
The HD144's sound great, but my setup is such that the throw distance would be an issue with those. I have begun looking at some HD10GT17s (if any are around to be bought) which sound better and would help improve my setup with a bit more throw distance.
As I said, the screen is plain bond paper and sucks as a surface - I expect color balance and detail will improve with a good screen (working on that) but the focus will be there unitl I get either better lenses, or reduce the raster and use less of the glass - don't want to do that and give up brightness and tube resolution.
Visually it looks better than the pictures seem to show - my little Canon point-and-shoot seems to have problems getting good results from the low brightness of the image, and the VLC player under Ubuntu is tricky to tune for gamma and saturation.
I have been lusting after the Moome HDMI card and a fair Blu-Ray player, but first things first.
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you know hd10gt17 lenses or any hd10 lenses are for 9 inch liquid coupled tubes?
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stefuel
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| kal wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | Here's 960P on what some here would consider the butt-hole of CRT projectors. |
But the picture itself is only 203P (203 pixels high).
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Kal, would you like me to e-mail you the raw photo so you can post it any way you like so that it can be picked apart any way you like? I have nothing to hide. Just remember it's SD DVD scaled to 960P, not HD. You could have a lot of fun with it. Just a little icing on the cake for you, it's scaled with a TAW Rock+ via a SDI modded panny DVD player. (No, not one of Gary's) 
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| stefuel wrote: | | kal wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | Here's 960P on what some here would consider the butt-hole of CRT projectors. |
But the picture itself is only 203P (203 pixels high).
Kal |
Kal, would you like me to e-mail you the raw photo so you can post it any way you like so that it can be picked apart any way you like? I have nothing to hide. Just remember it's SD DVD scaled to 960P, not HD. You could have a lot of fun with it. Just a little icing on the cake for you, it's scaled with a TAW Rock+ via a SDI modded panny DVD player. (No, not one of Gary's) |
No, just poking fun at the 960P mention since the image is just over 200 pixels high.... Sorry.
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So I guess the only thing bad about the AmPros is the S**t you get for having one eh? lol 
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| kal wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | kal wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | Here's 960P on what some here would consider the butt-hole of CRT projectors. |
But the picture itself is only 203P (203 pixels high).
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Kal, would you like me to e-mail you the raw photo so you can post it any way you like so that it can be picked apart any way you like? I have nothing to hide. Just remember it's SD DVD scaled to 960P, not HD. You could have a lot of fun with it. Just a little icing on the cake for you, it's scaled with a TAW Rock+ via a SDI modded panny DVD player. (No, not one of Gary's) |
No, just poking fun at the 960P mention since the image is just over 200 pixels high.... Sorry.
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No you were not. You were trying to invoke a response and I provided it. Here's your chance to put me in my place and I'm even giving you the ammunition to do it. Don't be a wuss. Go for it
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Ok, I may be misinformed. My Marquee manual shows lots of tables for the 8500 series with various flavors of HD10 lenses, but are these only for the liquid coupled models?
If that's the case than the HD144/145s may be my only option. It would force some changes to my mount and screen setup but some number pushing implies it would not be real bad. The screen would get bigger , but I was kinda hoping to keep the brightness up more.
So, a bigger dimmer sharper image, or a smaller brighter fuzzy image . . . Hmmmmm.
So, what's a set of HD144 or 145s go for these days? And I know I need the adapter plates.
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| ronhowes wrote: | Ok, I may be misinformed. My Marquee manual shows lots of tables for the 8500 series with various flavors of HD10 lenses, but are these only for the liquid coupled models?
If that's the case than the HD144/145s may be my only option. It would force some changes to my mount and screen setup but some number pushing implies it would not be real bad. The screen would get bigger , but I was kinda hoping to keep the brightness up more.
So, a bigger dimmer sharper image, or a smaller brighter fuzzy image . . . Hmmmmm.
So, what's a set of HD144 or 145s go for these days? And I know I need the adapter plates.
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If I remember correctly the Marquee 8000 is only air coupled so the manual is probably going off of the newer 8500LC machine for the most part.
I have a friend with the Sony 1272Q and HD-8 Revision B lenses and his projector is projecting on a 140" and his image is pretty good I think, and the 1272Q (or many sonys for that matter) aren't that bright to begin with. If you switch to HD144 or HD145 lenses your image will increase in sharpness dramatically and the brightness from hacing to move your projector back won't diminish to the point of you thinking its too dim.
The main difference I noticed between the HD144 and HD145 lenses is the HD145 lenses make the image a bit smaller than the HD144s do, not significantly, but enough to make you have to move your projector to fit the screen.
But that again is basing the performance of the lenses with my NEC XG, with the marquee it may be different but I cant say that for sure.
Ask in the Buy & sell forum for a set of HD144 or 145 lenses, I'm sure someone has a spare set on hand 
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