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jbmeyer13



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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:39 am    Post subject: 9500LC Banding

I have done a search on this and conversed with Tim and Dragan briefly on the topic but thought I ask this on the forum as well. I tried the tech tip on Tim's site but it didn't do the trick.

I have very faint banding after my convergence and have played with the linearity and BOW to try to eliminate this but have not had much success. In fact the adjustments only seemed to make the banding more evident rather than less noticeable. I read about Mike Parker's supposed mod to the CLM but have no confirmation if this actually works, if it's vaporware, etc.

For those that had banding and eliminated it, what did you do specifically and how long did it take you? This is my first set up on the PJ and if possible I'd really like to get it right.

I have enclosed some screen shots of my test patterns but it's very hard to photograph the banding.




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Nashou66



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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:00 pm    Post subject:

There is a CLM add on Chip mod that MP was or is doing that was developed by one of VDC's engineers.

But there is a way to avoid banding with a perfect mechanical set up so you end up using as little electronic
convergence and geometry controls as possible.

Be ready to spend hours and hours of sweat, frustration and exhaustion to get it not to band. Some machines are easier to avoid Banding than others, hopefully yours will be easier.

Athanasios

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Tim in Phoenix



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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:29 pm    Post subject:

Hello

My approach would be to reset a spare memory, look at white field just on green, then run bow, and V linearity, and the other geometry controls one at a time from 50 to the values you used to align your grid, and see which control(s) are the villains in your situation.


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draganm



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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:58 pm    Post subject:

last I heard DBcooper was the one actually doing this CLM modicification and everything I read here said the work was first class.
Question is though If it's that hard to photograph will you ever actually see it in a movie? Smile
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Tom.W



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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:23 pm    Post subject:

I assume ground loop has been ruled out.
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jbmeyer13



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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:33 pm    Post subject:

draganm wrote:
last I heard DBcooper was the one actually doing this CLM modicification and everything I read here said the work was first class.
Question is though If it's that hard to photograph will you ever actually see it in a movie? Smile


Hey D-

You know me, just have to take a shot at making it perfect Twisted Evil I'm going to try Tim's idea with the spare memory, that way I can really experiment without having to worry about screwing up a pretty decent grid. Regarding the CLM mod; its a last resort as I don't want to throw money at something if there is a reasonable way to fix it.

Having said that, I'm not spending hours on end (like Nash did with his blend Crying or Very sad ) as sanity is worth more than the almighty dollar. To your point, if it's not really noticeable during normal viewing then why go crazy trying to fix it.

Just out of curiousity, has anyone found the Ultra models better suited to eliminating banding than regular boards?

Regards,

Justin
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Nashou66



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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:57 pm    Post subject:

Both my Ultras in the blend band. I have the chips to do the mod but no ambition to do it. Sad


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Tim in Phoenix



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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:24 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Both my Ultras in the blend band. I have the chips to do the mod but no ambition to do it. Sad


Athanasios


Would someone copy me on the full info for this?


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dvh99



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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:27 pm    Post subject:

add me plz

dvh99@hotmail.com

edit: pm here on curts site is fine too

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Nashou66



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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:52 am    Post subject:

Here you go guys:

Here was its first mention

https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=20850.html

Then later mike came up with a price range in this thread I think.

https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=21198.html

I got my one chip from Dragan who was first approached to add this mod to his Dragan HD mods, The second I got from a friend of the VDC EE. Drag said it was a little to detailed work and he'd have to save each persons settings etc. too much work. He then offered it to me but I just didn't have the time. So then MP ended up with it, and from what Dragan mentioned, but I am not sure, DBcooper is doing them for Mike?

It was About February of 2010 when all this came to my knowledge some some details might be wrong.

Any how I am not sure if anyone has had this done yet.

Athanasios

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km987654



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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:04 am    Post subject:

Is this a contrast modulation problem??
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Nashou66



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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:10 am    Post subject:

km987654 wrote:
Is this a contrast modulation problem??


No, from what i gather it is the way the CLM controls the line scanning. When applying certain controls it will bunch a zone of scan lines together making the brighter band areas. The new chips are piggybacked on top of another chip with another set of scan drawing instructions that has its own formula to draw the scan lines in the zone. The marquee scan drawing is broken down into zones to allow for zone specific adjustment of things like astg, contrast, convergence etc .

here is a pic of the fix. I had it in the first thread of MP's but removed it. I don't see how it would matter now as you need a pre programed chip to make this work and the associated schematic.



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DB Cooper



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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:23 pm    Post subject:

We never had any firm requests or enough requests for this fix, so no parts were ordered and nothing further was done.
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dvh99



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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:13 pm    Post subject:

isn`t it possible to replace the u44 chip with a later revision firmware?
or just update the firmware via the rs232 port.

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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:22 pm    Post subject:

DB Cooper wrote:
We never had any firm requests or enough requests for this fix, so no parts were ordered and nothing further was done.
there were about 2 dozen chips with the code on them, it's a shame no one ordered the fix I think it's very effective despite requiring some super fine soldering skills. Obviously the work in the pic is pristine but It's a little too delicate for me.
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:29 pm    Post subject:

i wanna buy the chips to do this, but i want to do this myself.

i need 2 eproms and two dacs.
make that 3 of both.

wait i see now that the dac is lifted on one side.

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jbmeyer13



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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject:

DB Cooper wrote:
We never had any firm requests or enough requests for this fix, so no parts were ordered and nothing further was done.

2 questions:

1) Would you still consider doing the mod?
2) After the mod was done and the CLM was re-installed in the PJ would it require a full mechanical set up from scratch or just convergence?
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Tim in Phoenix



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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:14 pm    Post subject:

jbmeyer13 wrote:
DB Cooper wrote:
We never had any firm requests or enough requests for this fix, so no parts were ordered and nothing further was done.

2 questions:

1) Would you still consider doing the mod?
2) After the mod was done and the CLM was re-installed in the PJ would it require a full mechanical set up from scratch or just convergence?



There is nothing you could do to a control board that would affect mechanical setup; you would have to move the projector to need that.
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Nashou66



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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:29 pm    Post subject:

I can answer #2

All setting will be lost so you will have to do an electronic set up again. To avoid this you can use the marquee loader program.

here is a link to the latest version from my iDisc

https://files.me.com/nashou.66/sjl1c9

its up for 30 days.

Athanasios

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jbmeyer13



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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:19 am    Post subject:

DB Cooper wrote:
We never had any firm requests or enough requests for this fix, so no parts were ordered and nothing further was done.


DB Cooper,

Would you still consider doing this mod? If not, can you send the schematics to Tim as he has expressed interest in trying this mod.

Regards,

Justin
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