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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:23 pm    Post subject:

greg_mitch wrote:
So you are against Net Neutrality because you trust companies to not favor one website over another?

Naive?

Uhhhhh.... Where have I ever said I was against net neutrality, Greg? I'm not necessarily for- or against it. I'm not sure. I've even said as much in other threads.

I'm definitely for the idea of net neutrality... But, I also know that whenever the gov tries to regulate business, there are always unintended consequences. I don't think they should pass any net neutrality legislation or enact any policy until there's some behavior actually happening in the marketplace that needs regulating. See my previous sentence. Basically, if it ain't broke...

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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:16 am    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
greg_mitch wrote:
So you are against Net Neutrality because you trust companies to not favor one website over another?

Naive?

Uhhhhh.... Where have I ever said I was against net neutrality, Greg? I'm not necessarily for- or against it. I'm not sure. I've even said as much in other threads.

I'm definitely for the idea of net neutrality... But, I also know that whenever the gov tries to regulate business, there are always unintended consequences. I don't think they should pass any net neutrality legislation or enact any policy until there's some behavior actually happening in the marketplace that needs regulating. See my previous sentence. Basically, if it ain't broke...

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There already is evidence of preferential treatment, bandwidth throttling, etc.

Why wait until someone is abusing it?
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:49 am    Post subject:

greg_mitch wrote:
ecrabb wrote:
greg_mitch wrote:
So you are against Net Neutrality because you trust companies to not favor one website over another?

Naive?

Uhhhhh.... Where have I ever said I was against net neutrality, Greg? I'm not necessarily for- or against it. I'm not sure. I've even said as much in other threads.

I'm definitely for the idea of net neutrality... But, I also know that whenever the gov tries to regulate business, there are always unintended consequences. I don't think they should pass any net neutrality legislation or enact any policy until there's some behavior actually happening in the marketplace that needs regulating. See my previous sentence. Basically, if it ain't broke...

SC


There already is evidence of preferential treatment, bandwidth throttling, etc.

Why wait until someone is abusing it?


Greg how come it sounds like we're all talking about amounts of usage, and your talking about content being blocked? These are two different things right?

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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:50 am    Post subject:

Actually, he isn't talking about two different things. Let's say for a minute a high-bandwidth application uses a well known port. Hence, traffic on said port can be predicted as being high-bandwidth and treated with extreme prejudice. Now let's say that your ISP doesn't need to know the port thing and can easily determine the kind of traffic using methods like DPI, and thence implement dynamic routing within the AS (Autonomous System) and again apply extreme prejudice in treatment.

ISPs simply want all the profit there is to make, even if it means blackmail, extortion, and threatening commercial entities like YouTube and Netflix. The want to charge customers for allow them them access to the Internet (subscriber to Internet), and they now want to charge entities as if they were customers of the ISPs for those websites sending traffic to the customer (Internet to subscriber).

Sure, YouTube and Netflix are real customers to whomever provides them access to the Internet, but if that isn't one in the same as the Netflix subscriber's ISP the the subscriber's ISP needs to go F itself. And I'll reiterate again for those not listening ...

ISPs already conduct mutually beneficial parallel peering with high-bandwidth Internet entities. This solution solves the cost of the middle man they cut out. But for the ISPs, greed is greed in a small profit world. Personally, ISPs should get out of the ISP business and get into the wireless business.

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