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Nashou66
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| HKmod wrote: | | Ron W wrote: | | HOW LONG will the Fury be able to continue to function as it does now?? |
Forever !
This is a DMCA issue in US/CA, rest of the world is fine, purchasing from anywhere is fine.
Did anyone here used any of the products sold here to do illegal copies of movies, HDTV, whatever ?
Just look yourself in the mirror, are you a guy concerned by the industry stopping you from using your existing and perfectly capable display with nowaday equipment ? Or are you a dangerous criminal with electronic weapons that must be seized by the police ?
You can buy CD burner everywhere, does that make the CD burner store owner and customers some kind of criminals ?
No, it's the USE that you make out of it that counts.
Same for knife, same for anything.
The Law all over the world (except DMCA) will consider the USE, that's why we are sad that the forum went away, because that was the living proof that our products (and others products, like moome, cypress, spatz and others) was indeed ONLY used for legit purpose.
Better, it was the proof that buyers of our products was buying new equipment (hdmi) for their now digitaly upgraded display. And of course, a lot of movies !
What you are seeing here is just CEO, lawyers, etc... lack of knowledge of their markets, especially about the enthusiasts & early adopters. In fact they are shooting their own feets.
this not counting the fact that AACS is cracked since a while and digital copies can be done at 0 cost, now go figure why the criminals would need to buy expensive equipment for something they can do 1:1 digital for nothing ?
Same for HDCP... The Master key is public !
You can also start listing the case of Japan equipment that comes with HDCP bypass option on mother board, or menu or dongle.
The whole thing is just laughable. Don't make it too big, time will tell.
We stand behind the TRUTH.
You will then ask me .. "what if the truth doesn't show up ?" ... what if we put the gerber,firmware and everything online ? |
I agree with you on all counts, and putting the gerber files on line would be cool if it ever got to that point. 
Hopefully the next US congress will get enough complaints about this that they will make changes, but from what I looked up it seams the Canadian C-32 law is the one that is more restrictive.
Athanasios
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HKmod
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| maniak wrote: | What is the significance of the December 15th 2010 date? I couldn't find anything "on the net" about something going into effect on that date.
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It's a deadline given to US/CA reseller to remove products from their catalog.
You better catch one now if you are in US/CA
Also price may inflate in US/CA after 15dec.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Ahh.. that makes sense.. and I ordered my HDfury3 6 hours ago 
I can't wait to get it so I can try our 1 bluray movie (picked up a Toshiba player last week for $59). If it is as good as I think it will be, I'm sure I'll be replacing some of our 1200 movies with bluray. At least the ones I like to watch.
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Nashou66
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| maniak wrote: | Ahh.. that makes sense.. and I ordered my HDfury3 6 hours ago
I can't wait to get it so I can try our 1 bluray movie (picked up a Toshiba player last week for $59). If it is as good as I think it will be, I'm sure I'll be replacing some of our 1200 movies with bluray. At least the ones I like to watch.
~Mark |
See, this is what those industry idiots do not realize!!! Most who buy these units are trying to be able to watch BD on Older but capable Displays and it will only INCREASE BD sales not reduce them!!! Arrgggg!!!!!!!
Athanasios
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Ron W
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You are absolutely right, the market for these products is tiny and shrinking. Obviously, few lawyers are interested in or have any knowledge at all about home theater and the products that enthusiasts buy. When one thinks about it, considering who these crooks are representing, the hypocrisy here is off the chart!
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CRTV
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HKmod, why is the URL the order page linked to from the "Buy Now" link on your website is on a different, strange-looking domain? Some people can be very skittish about such things when handing over credit card numbers so I thought I would mention it should probably be on the main site to retain confidence? Of course, Palpal hides credit card details doesn't it?
They are making this move now because from Jan 2011 new Blu-ray players and subsequently most discs are restricted to 480i/576i over analogue and 480p over non HDCP digital. From 2014 all analogue output will be eliminated across the board and I guess input too. When 2160p TVs come along they will probably be having a new HDMI 2 and HDCP 2 and then in time devices will be banned from outputting video over HDMI/HDCP, especially as the leak of the HDCP master key will provide a "hole" justification. HDCP was introduced early in the USA because of the threat of class action lawsuit but outside the USA HD TVs were still being sold as recently as 2008 without HDMI. Almost every non flat panel TV sold outside North America does not have HDMI or HDCP including many HDTVs like mine which has RGBHV. The aim in future is for there to be a worldwide copyright treaty that makes possession and usage of a "circumvention device" a criminal offence, with the EU parliament making a non binding vote approving this treaty process last week.
Far worse things are happening in many other industries but few people are aware of it.
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Tom.W
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This has all been around for many years. Looks like they decided to finally clamp down and enforce the rules. About all we can do about it(as analog CRT users) is stop buying blur ray discs...
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Nashou66
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| Tom.W wrote: | | This has all been around for many years. Looks like they decided to finally clamp down and enforce the rules. About all we can do about it(as analog CRT users) is stop buying blur ray discs... |
I reallt dont think its the US side of thing. Canada never had a copyright law for Digital stuff like the US, this new C-32 law is whats causing the hoopla. its more strict than the US law. the web site is in Canada. I can not find any info for this dead line for the US. but I am too tired and aggravated to look any more.
We need a Curtpalme.eu location for this stuff. anyone in the EU care to host a sister CurtPalme web site 
Athanasios
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We need a Curtpalme.eu location for this stuff. anyone in the EU care to host a sister CurtPalme web site
Athanasios |
Oh and we can call it the Evil Twin! 
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: |
We need a Curtpalme.eu location for this stuff. anyone in the EU care to host a sister CurtPalme web site
Athanasios |
Oh and we can call it the Evil Twin! |
Heck Moonjong might even come back as he was the first to design a DVI/HDMI to RGB converter with a built in scaler and linear power supply from scratch.
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Allan
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Excellent info. And I've been thinking .. (uh oh) ... the initial reason for the protection was to prevent copying from one analog source to another analog and from digital to analog right? Who does that, anymore?! Yeah, I'm going to copy my Blur Ray to my Beta Max tape ... uh ... 
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Ron W
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As the article about this topic quoted earlier, for years the American content providers were constantly whining about the fact that Canadian copyright laws were considerably less stringent than in the US and illegal copying was rampant. As a result, they also threatened, at one point, to prohibit distribution of some content to Canada. Of course, when one looked in to this further it was the usual nonsense and exaggerations since no more copying was going on in Canada than was in the U.S. Although I have not paid attention to what was the final legislation, it seems the Canadian government succumbed to the pressure and based on the comments here, it looks like they went too far in the other direction.
As usual, if you are a large corporation like those connected to all this, put enough money in the politicians pockets and you can be assured the laws will be changed to your liking.
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HKmod
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| Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| CRTV wrote: | HKmod, why is the URL the order page linked to from the "Buy Now" link on your website is on a different, strange-looking domain? Some people can be very skittish about such things when handing over credit card numbers so I thought I would mention it should probably be on the main site to retain confidence? Of course, Palpal hides credit card details doesn't it?
They are making this move now because from Jan 2011 new Blu-ray players and subsequently most discs are restricted to 480i/576i over analogue and 480p over non HDCP digital. From 2014 all analogue output will be eliminated across the board and I guess input too. When 2160p TVs come along they will probably be having a new HDMI 2 and HDCP 2 and then in time devices will be banned from outputting video over HDMI/HDCP, especially as the leak of the HDCP master key will provide a "hole" justification. HDCP was introduced early in the USA because of the threat of class action lawsuit but outside the USA HD TVs were still being sold as recently as 2008 without HDMI. Almost every non flat panel TV sold outside North America does not have HDMI or HDCP including many HDTVs like mine which has RGBHV. The aim in future is for there to be a worldwide copyright treaty that makes possession and usage of a "circumvention device" a criminal offence, with the EU parliament making a non binding vote approving this treaty process last week.
Far worse things are happening in many other industries but few people are aware of it. |
Hi There,
The domain belong to the technical guys behind HDfury products. they call themself DME.
HDfury.com just point to their domain.
It has always been like that.
anyway, as things stopped brutally the web guy need some days to arrange everything, but if you look today you will see that the order page is quiet much better than yesterday.
About giving the credit card number, that happens on paypal site, so it's secure as paypal is.
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HKmod
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Just got an E-mail from moome and he claims his Ext HD is compliant. He's confused, poor guy. he really is an upstanding person.
I am sure he is still honoring the pre sale orders. he told me if I need any stuff to just e-mail him.
this is his e-mail if any one needs it, it should be on the internal cards sales pages as well.
moome@seed.net.tw
Athanasios |
Once again, there is no court case yet, so no one really know if it's illegal or not under DMCA in US/CA.
With all respect i have for moome... claiming it's compliant, is certainly not the greatest thing i heard from him.
For your reference HDfury manufacturer is HDMI member, not HDCP member.
Moome is neither member of HDMI or HDCP.
In order to be compliant you should have sent your products to both test center for HDMI and HDCP.
Then you got an "official" certificate and you can claim such things.
This being said, this is of no importance.
There is no reason to hide and no reason neither to be scared.
Nothing was ruled in court yet, people can still purchase oversea, it's US/CA issue cause of DMCA.
The fact that it stopped so brutally is the problem yet, but things get arranged slowly but surely.
I'm sure Moome will also find a nice place to host his products and the story will go on till the next "legal" problem about circumvention of a DRM that is cracked and free on internet. That's the real new world order
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