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overclkr



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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:55 pm    Post subject: Help me pick my new video chain!

Guys,

I'm going to be retubing soon and want to dump my NEC/ISS moome HDMI video distribution to the stack and replace it with something better.

With that being said, I need to drive 2 G90's with the same signal and would like all of your input on the best way to go about getting the job done. I'm hoping to be installing as well a Radiance processor to put before the digital/analog conversion.

What do you guys think is the best these days?

Cliff


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virusc



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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:32 pm    Post subject:

I like my Barco RCVDS05 switchers but in your case with G90's and all that money invested I would not use any of the Barco/electrohome/NEC/Sony switchers as they all are not that good and instead use a extron modern unit that is current. That way you will not have any problems with bad caps or failures that may effect the output
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:37 pm    Post subject:

Ohh, Goody, Goody, I can watch this thread now because I was thinking the same thing. When I finally do my stack, then blend next year. Which makes it harder for me, I don't want to have to buy things twice. Whatever I buy should be able to Stack and Blend. I was thinking of the T.V. One 7100.

http://www.tvone.com/c2-7100-main.shtml

I think this does everything blend, stack, and gamma.

I'll be watching Very Happy

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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:55 pm    Post subject:

I'm talkin' out my ass here, because I don't know what's best for a top-notch setup these days, Cliff... But, what about one of the newest Extron RGBHV DA's? Like the DA2 RGBHV? We used to use the older versions doing VR installs back in the day, and it was some good sh*t back then, even. We pushed signals like 1600x1200@120hz (for stereo) and never had an issue. We sometimes drove 75-feet of RGBHV snake with them, too.

http://www.extron.com/product/product.aspx?id=da2rgbhv&subtype=287&s=4

I think it's like a $700+ retail box, but like everything analog, you can find them cheap on fleabay. Here's one $200/offer...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160504240659

Of course, you'd have to do all your gamma and such in the digital domain earlier in the video chain, which is better anyway... Say, a Radiance?

Source -> Radiance -> Moome EXT-HD -> Extron DA2 -> Twins

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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:12 pm    Post subject:

Cliff, do this, get two moome cards for the stack , then use the Lumagen's dual outputs.

Now heres the thing. You will only be able ti use the radiance calibration for one overall image. so Ken has to get each PJ as close as possible to each other As I am sure he can. then the radiance will calibrate both PJ's simultaneous.

Otherwise you'll need two radiance's or another lesser value VP with CMS fr the other PJ. I think calibrating both PJ as close as possible and then using the Radiance for the overall calibration. it really is a slick unit Cliff!! and i think they might be able to add individual calibration for each output at a later date. I think if more people ask them for this they will do it. They might have to give up other functions to achieve it but id give up 3D in favor of individual calibrated outputs.

Athanasios

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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:17 pm    Post subject:

Video chain? I hear white gold is the current style. Platinum is out this fall, and silver just looks cheap. Very Happy
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:37 pm    Post subject:

dturco wrote:
Ohh, Goody, Goody, I can watch this thread now because I was thinking the same thing. When I finally do my stack, then blend next year. Which makes it harder for me, I don't want to have to buy things twice. Whatever I buy should be able to Stack and Blend. I was thinking of the T.V. One 7100.

http://www.tvone.com/c2-7100-main.shtml

I think this does everything blend, stack, and gamma.

I'll be watching Very Happy


DAMN that thing is EXPENSIVE! Looks nice though!
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overclkr



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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:39 pm    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
I'm talkin' out my ass here, because I don't know what's best for a top-notch setup these days, Cliff... But, what about one of the newest Extron RGBHV DA's? Like the DA2 RGBHV? We used to use the older versions doing VR installs back in the day, and it was some good sh*t back then, even. We pushed signals like 1600x1200@120hz (for stereo) and never had an issue. We sometimes drove 75-feet of RGBHV snake with them, too.

http://www.extron.com/product/product.aspx?id=da2rgbhv&subtype=287&s=4

I think it's like a $700+ retail box, but like everything analog, you can find them cheap on fleabay. Here's one $200/offer...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160504240659

Of course, you'd have to do all your gamma and such in the digital domain earlier in the video chain, which is better anyway... Say, a Radiance?

Source -> Radiance -> Moome EXT-HD -> Extron DA2 -> Twins

SC


Nice now that looks like a good option! Thats what I like about the Radiance doing all the gamma right there. Smile
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:44 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Cliff, do this, get two moome cards for the stack , then use the Lumagen's dual outputs.

Now heres the thing. You will only be able ti use the radiance calibration for one overall image. so Ken has to get each PJ as close as possible to each other As I am sure he can. then the radiance will calibrate both PJ's simultaneous.

Otherwise you'll need two radiance's or another lesser value VP with CMS fr the other PJ. I think calibrating both PJ as close as possible and then using the Radiance for the overall calibration. it really is a slick unit Cliff!! and i think they might be able to add individual calibration for each output at a later date. I think if more people ask them for this they will do it. They might have to give up other functions to achieve it but id give up 3D in favor of individual calibrated outputs.

Athanasios


NASHOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't even know the Radiance had dual outputs? That is SWEET. Hmmmmm......

I'm beginning to salavate. My wife is going to kill me. Shocked

Cliff
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:52 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
Video chain? I hear white gold is the current style. Platinum is out this fall, and silver just looks cheap. Very Happy


This is not the chain Cliff is looking for?

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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:54 pm    Post subject:

THat looks just like Cliff!! Very Happy
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:07 am    Post subject:

overclkr wrote:
dturco wrote:
Ohh, Goody, Goody, I can watch this thread now because I was thinking the same thing. When I finally do my stack, then blend next year. Which makes it harder for me, I don't want to have to buy things twice. Whatever I buy should be able to Stack and Blend. I was thinking of the T.V. One 7100.

http://www.tvone.com/c2-7100-main.shtml

I think this does everything blend, stack, and gamma.

I'll be watching Very Happy


DAMN that thing is EXPENSIVE! Looks nice though!



Yeah but the "B" stock is half price. $3500 Shocked Depending on what this thread shakes out it might not be all that bad.

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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:20 am    Post subject:

72Hz (71.928)

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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:25 am    Post subject:

overclkr wrote:
Nashou66 wrote:
Cliff, do this, get two moome cards for the stack , then use the Lumagen's dual outputs.

Now heres the thing. You will only be able ti use the radiance calibration for one overall image. so Ken has to get each PJ as close as possible to each other As I am sure he can. then the radiance will calibrate both PJ's simultaneous.

Otherwise you'll need two radiance's or another lesser value VP with CMS fr the other PJ. I think calibrating both PJ as close as possible and then using the Radiance for the overall calibration. it really is a slick unit Cliff!! and i think they might be able to add individual calibration for each output at a later date. I think if more people ask them for this they will do it. They might have to give up other functions to achieve it but id give up 3D in favor of individual calibrated outputs.

Athanasios


NASHOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't even know the Radiance had dual outputs? That is SWEET. Hmmmmm......

I'm beginning to salavate. My wife is going to kill me. Shocked

Cliff



Yepp, dual outputs on the XS. So with a stack using the same calibration for both is fine. you would do individual calibration of the PJ's then fire them both up and then do a 11 or 21 point greyscale with the Radiance of both PJ's simultaneously. So the Probe would be reading both PJ's together and tell the radiance what to do, if using calman 4.
I then touch up using calman 4 Direct Device Control where you can adjust the parameters of the radiance manually right in Calman. Even you could do it Cliff Wink

Call Lumagen and see if they can do a trade in of your DVDO Wink

Athanasios

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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:01 am    Post subject:

bbfarmht wrote:
Curt Palme wrote:
Video chain? I hear white gold is the current style. Platinum is out this fall, and silver just looks cheap. Very Happy


This is not the chain Cliff is looking for?


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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:04 am    Post subject:

MikeEby wrote:
72Hz (71.928)

Mike


Yes, I'll do a 72hz memory. I promise. Smile
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:06 am    Post subject:

overclkr wrote:
MikeEby wrote:
72Hz (71.928)

Mike


Yes, I'll do a 72hz memory. I promise. Smile


Yep for 2.4 aspect just do 1920x800@72, hell the radiance XS+ might do that at 96 hz .

Craig would no more.

nashou

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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:08 am    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
overclkr wrote:
Nashou66 wrote:
Cliff, do this, get two moome cards for the stack , then use the Lumagen's dual outputs.

Now heres the thing. You will only be able ti use the radiance calibration for one overall image. so Ken has to get each PJ as close as possible to each other As I am sure he can. then the radiance will calibrate both PJ's simultaneous.

Otherwise you'll need two radiance's or another lesser value VP with CMS fr the other PJ. I think calibrating both PJ as close as possible and then using the Radiance for the overall calibration. it really is a slick unit Cliff!! and i think they might be able to add individual calibration for each output at a later date. I think if more people ask them for this they will do it. They might have to give up other functions to achieve it but id give up 3D in favor of individual calibrated outputs.

Athanasios


NASHOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't even know the Radiance had dual outputs? That is SWEET. Hmmmmm......

I'm beginning to salavate. My wife is going to kill me. Shocked

Cliff



Yepp, dual outputs on the XS. So with a stack using the same calibration for both is fine. you would do individual calibration of the PJ's then fire them both up and then do a 11 or 21 point greyscale with the Radiance of both PJ's simultaneously. So the Probe would be reading both PJ's together and tell the radiance what to do, if using calman 4.
I then touch up using calman 4 Direct Device Control where you can adjust the parameters of the radiance manually right in Calman. Even you could do it Cliff Wink

Call Lumagen and see if they can do a trade in of your DVDO Wink

Athanasios


Fo Sho BIG DOG. I REALLY like how Craig has hopped in on the 3D gig with Lumagen and that is a wicked option as well. Smile

Arli sent me a link to some Dallas chips so I'm going to go ahead and change those as well. I plan on pulling the puppies down from the ceiling also for a "full service".

Looks like I'm in it for the long haul!

Cliffy
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:09 am    Post subject:

Thats what I like to hear. None of that Digital BS anymore Cliffster!!!! Wink


nashou

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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:15 am    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
overclkr wrote:
MikeEby wrote:
72Hz (71.928)

Mike


Yes, I'll do a 72hz memory. I promise. Smile


Yep for 2.4 aspect just do 1920x800@72, hell the radiance XS+ might do that at 96 hz .

Craig would no more.

nashou


Big dog I also brought these home from DC: Smile

Anyone need some Marquee 9" hardware????? MINUS Celements of course!

Oh, and NOPE THAT DIGITAL CAN KISS MY ASS!!!!!! Smile

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