|
As this forum is rarely used anymore, we've locked it. Feel free to browse and read. Questions? Please reach out to us directly. Cheers! |
|
 |
|
|
| Author |
Message |
ecrabb
Forum Moderator
Joined: 13 Mar 2006
Posts: 15909
Location: Utah
TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Tom.W wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | dturco wrote: | So where do you find these nifty slicker than sheep sh*t factory mounts?
They sure aren't for sale new anywhere, so make your own is the order of the day.
Heck if the where holding up an Ampro you'd never even see them under that sleek box the call an exterior anyway.  |
Not a few. Not even most. But EVERY friggin CRT projector ever built originally had a factory mount. (period)
So let me ask you this. How hard have you tried to find one?
Lets ask Curt or Tim if they might have a basic Marquee factory mount. I'll do it for you.  |
Chip all the projectors had mounts but they were all additional options as I understand it or at least in most cases. |
Tom, I think Chip is well aware that not every machine came from the manufacturer with a mount; Rather, he was suggesting that none were installed without a commercial mount - which is certainly true. But, like I said, most of those were trashed, recycled, lost, repurposed, etc.
SC
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
Posts: 3353
Location: Green Harbor MA USA
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
| ecrabb wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | Not a few. Not even most. But EVERY friggin CRT projector ever built originally had a factory mount. (period) |
It doesn't matter that every projector sold had a commercial mount since most of them get thrown away! I can count the number of times on one hand I've ever seen a complete commercial (factory or not) mount included with a projector in a surplus sale.
Even if it were, many of them were mounted in a conference room or classroom with a 24-36" drop and not exactly useful in a house, and the Sony mounts didn't use the threaded pipe method; they were welded steel tube in a couple of preselected drop lengths.
I'm just guessing, but I'd bet money there's less than one commercial CRT projector mount useable in a house for every ten usable CRT projectors still sitting around.
Besides, if a guy can put together a mount for nearly as little money in materials as it would cost just to ship a factory mount, I agree the Unistrut mount doesn't look great, but so what? It's not your room! In my case, I recessed my hand-fabricated 1.5" square-tube steel mount into the ceiling.
SC |
"then what do you care, Chip?"
You're absolutely right. I shouldn't care and I don't. If someone want's to hang their projector with dental floss, I'll just shut up and let them do it. I am floored though by how much some people are willing to spend in the attempt to coax a per cent or two more performance wise but won't even consider spending 1-2 hundred for the correct mount.
The prices for used (correct) mounts have not changed much over the years. Five or six years ago when a rebuilt 9500 was selling for 10K people were still complaining about 200.00 for a commercial mount. Now you can get a Marquee for what it would cost for the mount. I don't care. It's still the only way I would do it. Over the years I've seen my share of abortion mounts and projectors that were up and running the night before and on the floor with half the ceiling the next morning. No SPAWN mounts for me thank you. 
_________________
Chip
A Barco is only a AmPro with training wheels
Card carrying member of the AVS chain gang.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
garyfritz
Joined: 08 Apr 2006
Posts: 12088
Location: Fort Collins, CO
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:49 am Post subject: |
|
|
| stefuel wrote: | | I hope this is the last time I have to say this but........Nothing looks slicker than a factory mount. You will never see all this threaded rod and uni-strut in a pro installation. |
And this is NOT a pro installation. Peri has said many times that he's built his HT on an extreme cheap shoestring budget, he's pretty much forced to, but he enjoys the challenge. He's not going to pay a dime for something slick if he can get it working for free. For his constraints and his goals, unistrut is a great answer.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jkruger
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
Posts: 2435
Location: Carlsbad, CA
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
I have a Chief mount for a large Chrisitie digital that would be easily adaptable to a G70. You pay the shipping, or just stop by next time you are here like the lenses you got from me.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
perisoft
Joined: 29 Aug 2007
Posts: 2920
Location: Ithaca, NY
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:45 am Post subject: |
|
|
| garyfritz wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | I hope this is the last time I have to say this but........Nothing looks slicker than a factory mount. You will never see all this threaded rod and uni-strut in a pro installation. |
And this is NOT a pro installation. Peri has said many times that he's built his HT on an extreme cheap shoestring budget, he's pretty much forced to, but he enjoys the challenge. He's not going to pay a dime for something slick if he can get it working for free. For his constraints and his goals, unistrut is a great answer. |
Thank you.
In the case of my Barco, I have a horribly ugly unistrut mount... but I got a good deal on a bunch of jet black velvet. And I had a bunch of nice 3/4" foam insulation board.
End result? A bunch of careful cutting and sticky velcro, and I had a cover the wrapped the mount unistrut all around the projector; it wasn't perfect because it was fabric on foam... but since all the room lighting was aimed the other direction, and since the velvet is jet-f*cking-black, you don't see *anything* but a black hole up there. If the lights are off it's invisible... if they're on, then any angle at which you could see anything will just show it as jet black because the lights are in your field of vision and force your irises down.
Done, done, and done. Unistrut, foam, and velcro tape were free from lying around... I spent five bucks on eye bolts and fifteen on velvet. Took a bit more time, but total cost of the mount and cover was 20 bucks and there's no way in hell you can tell that it's not done with super perfect dark wood. You could have someone fabricate the whole bit and pay $500+, and it would be visually identical - but it cost me some imagination and 1/20th the money. And because of the velcro it has the added benefit of zipping off of there to work on the PJ, and weighs about two pounds, so it's far more practical, too.
So, before you trash on me for 'not being willing' to spend $200 on a factory mount, consider that my whole HT has been done for under 1k out of pocket, from paint on up and including the PJ, and it's been my aim to make it as seamless as any pro job top to bottom. I'm no more willing to have something ugly in my room than you are; I'm just forced by circumstance to do it in a neat and unusual way.
There are a ton of things you can do that look identical to big-money stuff; you just have to consider the environment and how they'll actually be looked at. For a while I had what looked like a rug over wall to wall carpet... the wall to wall carpet was actually only along the edges of the room that the rug didn't cover. You couldn't tell, and it's not people are coming over and peeling your rug up to make sure it's legit... So a few free scrap pieces of nice carpet for $0 and a huge, nice, craigslisted rug for $30 - or $500 worth of carpet and a $400 rug that looks a bit better but only if you put your nose on it. $30 for 90% of the performance of $900. Don't assume that because I spend less money I accept mediocre results.
At any rate, long and short is that I can work around ugliness of the unistrut fairly easily; I might even be able to reuse what I've got if the PJs are about the same width.
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
perisoft
Joined: 29 Aug 2007
Posts: 2920
Location: Ithaca, NY
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
| jkruger wrote: | | I have a Chief mount for a large Chrisitie digital that would be easily adaptable to a G70. You pay the shipping, or just stop by next time you are here like the lenses you got from me. |
Would be cool, but I imagine shipping would be an absolute bastard. How big is the thing and how much does it weigh?
Oh, and even if I get to the west coast soon, I don't think they'd let me check it in my baggage!
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
Posts: 3353
Location: Green Harbor MA USA
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
It was not my intension to "trash" anyone and I don't think I did. You've put a lot of effort into doing it "on the cheap" and that's OK. All I'm suggesting is that when someone locates a projector they wish to hang, that they put some effort into locating a correct mount for it prior to breaking out the hacksaw. AmPro's are more rare than Sony's. I waited for a mount for my 4600HD before I hung it. That's just me. It took a bit of looking and I got a deal on it. The point is they are out there and can be had "on the cheap" but you can't find them if you don't look.
Most here get their projectors home and can't wait to see it hanging so wouldn't even consider a commercial mount because it would mean a delay in seeing it work, so off to Home Depot they go for what ever it takes to have it hanging tonight. 
For me, time is money but I also like the fit and finish of a factory/commerial mount. 
_________________
Chip
A Barco is only a AmPro with training wheels
Card carrying member of the AVS chain gang.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jkruger
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
Posts: 2435
Location: Carlsbad, CA
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
I have two factory mounts for my PJ but it is still hanging from the old unistrut mount. = I'm just lazy.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
perisoft
Joined: 29 Aug 2007
Posts: 2920
Location: Ithaca, NY
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
I gotcha, stefuel. My room's my (third) baby, so I get a little defensive. 
I have time since the barco is up, but I'd also like to retrieve some money from the barco before it's -totally- worthless!
Another thing with a factory mount - how would I deal with studs being off center by 9" or so?
_________________
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
Posts: 3353
Location: Green Harbor MA USA
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
| perisoft wrote: | I gotcha, stefuel. My room's my (third) baby, so I get a little defensive.
I have time since the barco is up, but I'd also like to retrieve some money from the barco before it's -totally- worthless!
Another thing with a factory mount - how would I deal with studs being off center by 9" or so? |
Prepping the ceiling for the installation of a heavy projector using a commercial mount is easy but a long winded post.
My way makes it easy to swap brands and never have to open up the ceiling again. However, there is some expense but again, a one-shot deal. If interested I will take the time to post it tonight or perhaps even it's own thread.
_________________
Chip
A Barco is only a AmPro with training wheels
Card carrying member of the AVS chain gang.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
|
Forum powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
|
|
