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dturco
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I don't even have a turn table anymore. The last one i had was a Bang&Olfesen BEO-5000 I think. It had a MMC style tiny cartridge.
Now I have a Integra dvd/cd /sacd with Wolfson Dacs and it sounds great.
I also tried out A Jolida JD-100 tube CD player which is great for Jazz or any smooth music, but terrible for Rock. I still have it but I'm sure I have less than 50 hours of use on it.
I also have backed out of critical listening 2 channel since buying a CRT P/J, and now focus pretty much on chasing the P/Q.
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WTS
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DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT use an opamp or solid state preamp. As much as I like solid state for CD equipment if you want the warmth etc. out of a good turntable setup use tubes, I feel they complement each other better. Try to find an old NewYork Audio Labs ( or it's previous name Tube God) or find a Audio Research SP12 or an earlier model 10 or 8. For a tube power amp you could try to find a NewYork Audio Labs modded Dyanco 70 or a transformerless NewYork Audio Labs tube power amp. I had the Newyork Audio Labs equipment feeding a set of Quad 57 stats with an Audio Research brute of a power amp feeding the subs.
That's my 2 cents worth.
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Nashou66
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draganm
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:16 am Post subject: Re: Turntable cartridge? |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | So I finally have a turntable again, rescued from the dump.  It's a Technics 3200, a semi automatic turntable. I've just ordered the counterweight off eBay, should be here in a week. So, I need a new cartridge. Now, I have about 2000 records, most of which came out of nightclubs back when I was DJing. So, they've been played lots, have been backcued, etc.
I do have some records that should be in mint shape and unplayed, but again, as long as I track lightly, I should be fine with a robust cartridge... |
which is it Curt, do you want to track lightly or a Robust cartidge, pick one. Stanton DJ carts are crap, good for scratching and not much else. With 2 to 5 grams recomended tracking force and a conical stylus it tells you it's a crap cart. A good cart will have specs like 1.5 to 1.9 grams VTF, those are the ones that "track lightly.
| Curt Palme wrote: | It's not a P mount type of cartridge, it uses the 'standard' mount.
I used to use a Stanton 680EL, as you can back cue with it, and I'm thinking that's the way to go. I don't want to spend 100s on this, as I'll simply be burning records to CD via my cheapie sound card in my computer.
Recommendations other than the Stanton? I won't need to back cue I don't think with this turntable.. |
I'd stay away from Grado IMO, for some reason Grado's on cheap TT's like yours don't mate well with the tonearm, look up "Grado wobble". I've seen it on an almost identical set-up to what your doing.
Get an Audio Technica ATE120 with eliptical Stylus , $60.
http://www.electronics-expo.com/index.php?page=item&id=AUDAT120ET&source=google
the important stuff in bold
| Quote: | Specifications
•Frequency Response: 15-25,000 Hz
•Channel Separation: 25/20 (dB at 1 kHz/10 kHz)
•Vertical Tracking Force: 1.0-1.8 grams
•Stylus Construction: Nude round shank
•Recommended Load Impedance: 47 000 ohms
•Output: 5.0 (mV at 1 kHz 5 cm/sec)
•Channel Balance: 1.0 dB
•Mount: Half-inch |
I wish we had more time when you stopped by, I think you would have really been blown away by the sound of vinyl in my HT.
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WTS
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Oh yeah I forgot about CJ, yes they made some okay stuff, not top of the line but good(IMO).
I have no idea what the GRado lineup is like these days. Like you say drag, they could be crap now, they were prety good when I was using them 25 years ago.
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http://www.stereotimes.com/acc090407.shtml
mc20e can be had for 250 usd.
i have seen the ebony for 1000usd.
micro benz makes some very nice cartridges if i have to believe all the reviews in the last years, never heard one unfortunately.
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draganm
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well I didn't say Grado was crap, just that the cart doesn't mate well with some tonearms. There's some kind of Harmonic resonance that occurs and the stylus can actually jump out of the groove in some cases. Grado also has their own unique sound which is a personal preference.
I think the cheap Stanton's are crappy, same as all DJ cart's. For the same money, about 60 bucks, you can get a nice audiophile cart,you just can't "scratch" with it. 
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Nashou66
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draganm
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| Nashou66 wrote: | I still thing for a mid range cartridge the Blue Point Special for 299 is a good deal.
Athanasios |
your mid range or Curt's mid range? I'm pretty sure to Curt $300. for a cartridge is "audiophile nonsense" 
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Curt Palme
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| draganm wrote: | | I'm pretty sure to Curt $300. for a cartridge is "audiophile nonsense" |
Sort of.
I'm not going to spend $300 on a cartridge when I got the turntable for free, and I'll have to tape a penny to the headshell anyways.
If I had a dedicated LP listening system, I'd probably spend the $$, but not if I'm just burning vinyl to CD via a $10 sound card. Gimme a break.
Sorta on topic, remember the 'audio obstacle course' record that came with a SHure V15? My friend had a Technics turntable, an SL 1800 with an Empire 2000Z cartridge that was $100 back in the day. His buddy had that record, and while the Shure mistracked somewhat even after a careful setup, he was tickled pink that his Empire tracked the whole record flawlessly.
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WTS
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AH yes the SHure V15 type IV I had one of those, not the best cartridge that's for sHure. I think I even remember that obstacle record too.
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draganm
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | I'm not going to spend $300 on a cartridge when I got the turntable for free, and I'll have to tape a penny to the headshell anyways. |
ARRRGGHHH, Noooooooooooo 
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Curt Palme
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AS an aside, we had a tech work for my company a long time ago that was the ever practical joker. At the time we used small work tickets to fill out repairs, as we dealt with the headset systems of about 700 fast food restaurants.
One day the receptionist brought in her skipping CD player for him to look at, and amongst the things he did according to the ticket were:
-adjust rinse cycle
-taped penny to laser.
For some reason at the time, the 'tape penny to laser' was hysterically funny, which is why I remember it 17 years later..
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draganm
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | For some reason at the time, the 'tape penny to laser' was hysterically funny, which is why I remember it 17 years later.. |
actually the fact that we remember penny's taped to headshells is the funniest thing of all. Or at least I try to laugh at the how old I am 
so which cart. Are you getting, the audio Technica or a horrible Stanton scratch cart?
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Curt Palme
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Not sure yet. I am cash poor as I just landed a whackload of sound installations unexpectedly, all for local townships, so they take 30 days+ to pay. Once I get the funds in Dec, then I'll buy the cartridge. Still gotta set up the recording system anyways. Unsure if I'll record right to a CD recorder:
http://cgi.ebay.com/HHB-BurnIt-CDR-830-Professional-CD-Recorder-Burner-/330489648544?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item4cf2b7d5a0
(I picked the above up at a rummage sale new in the box for $25 2 years ago... SCORE!) or whether to load into a computer, then create tracks, and then burn to CD). Burning right to the HHB is faster, but since there's no true 5 second blank spots between tracks (the recorder hears the clicks and pops of the record), it records the whole disc as one big track.
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Curt, I second the Audio Technica line. Their 120E (US $89 at NeedleDoctor) and 95E (US $49.99 at ND) are highly favored as budget carts on some of the vinyl-centric websites. Their sound is brighter than the Grados, and LPGear in Nevada stocks upgraded stylus types for them in case you want more detail than the stock styli give you. Plus, most sites that sell vinyl stuff carry the 95E. They're everywhere!
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You guys are all just "young pups"!
My first cartridge was a Shure M3. Yes, it was mono as it was before stereo! I used Dyna's mono preamp and later built their stereo preamp. The TT was a Weathers.
Last week I was cleaning out an old box of "junk" and found a few old MC cartridges: a Fulton, a GAS and a Supex. Anybody remember those names?
Well, I haven't listened to vinyl since I got hooked on this video thing, but you guys have lit a fire under me so that I'm going to resurrect my analog setup. It will take a little while but I always had fun messing with it.
There are cobwebs all over it, but I have an old Technics SP-10 TT, a Dynavector DV505, and preamp I built from Curcio's Daniel 2 schematic.
I can see from looking at this stuff, I need to build a newer tube pre-amp for MC, and find a reasonable priced cartridge.
The good news is that I won't have to reprogram my remote.
Thanks for taking me back to the good old days!
Bob
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Curt Palme
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Bob, you old fart! 
Post a pix of that stuff, I'm fascinated!
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Boilermaker
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| Quote: | | Post a pix of that stuff, I'm fascinated! |
Not a problem - You will have to give me some time, as I have to borrow a camera from one of my kids.
One of my favorite's (I sold it) was a pair of Dayton Wright XG Mark III's. They had more potential than any speaker ever made. Ever heard of them?
Bob
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