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jeffslife
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 4190 Location: ohio usa
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:05 pm Post subject: DOTS...... nooooooooooooooooooo |
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I have been working on magnetic focus for days off and on. The edges are almost impossible to set, at times I feel like
I am just geussing and hoping. Then when I go back to my picture source ( BD ) the convergence is WAY OFF.
I am going to start over AGAIN. What I want to know I geuss is should I have a source (like BD ) connected when I
adjust the DOTS or disconnected. Does it matter at all?
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
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Yes, always have a source connected when doing any adjustment on any data grade CRT.
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jeffslife
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OK now for the REALLY stupid question , does the BD have to be playing? Or just turned on?
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
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I'd run it to make sure the same memory location is used every time.
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jeffslife
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THANKS Curt.
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cinema mad
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I have the blu-ray playing but I am using 24p then doubling to 48Hz with my VP.
If your setting up the G70 for 1080p 60Hz then its better to have the Blu-ray playing,
I just start the player then go off the sound so I know when to press enter to start the main movie then I start
the projector so its not trying to sync onto different frequencys..
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jeffslife
Joined: 17 Apr 2010 Posts: 4190 Location: ohio usa
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OK, before I start again is there any way to make the edges easier to see? I have tried to change the edge focus to get it as sharp as possible but the edges are still very much (compared to the rest of the screen ) out of focus.
would using RGB SIZE and shrinking the screen help at all?
Is there anything that would help at all?
Could the focus on the inside of the pj be loose or off proper adjustment, I only ask because the edges are so far out of focus.
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
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lens flapping??
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Nashou66
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The G70 is definitely graphics grade... I assume Curt meant to use an external source with a data grade or better projector.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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Well on a marquee you do the dots with the lowest internal Pattern. And doing the dots will move the grids. In a G70 the focus coils can not me moved so the
convergence will have to be redone I would assume. In a Marquee with stock focus coils you can loosen the focus yoke to re align the grids.
I know its much easier in a G70, all electronic .
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andreas
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: dots |
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aha, so when adjusting this on a marquee i should not use 1080p resolution? should i instead use a dvd when adjusting astigmatism? i mean, the dynamic adjustments are affecting all memories on a marquee so i cant do a different astig for dvd and bd, right?...
as someone wrote it worked fine to recenter the grid by loosen the focus coil and move it by hand.... your problem sounds like bad lensflapping. is the machine perfectly straight to the screen?
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: dots |
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| andreas wrote: | aha, so when adjusting this on a marquee i should not use 1080p resolution? should i instead use a dvd when adjusting astigmatism? i mean, the dynamic adjustments are affecting all memories on a marquee so i cant do a different astig for dvd and bd, right?...
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not really, do not connect any source and use the internal frequency choices. the lowest will make it easier to see the dots
when doing the CPC magnets. I then use the next frequency up for electronic astig. I am not sure if the electronic astig is global. But I would think it is.
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andreas
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aha, thanks! well if it is global i cant fine tune my dvd setup with astig... ive never even checked out the internal frequency menu! i know there is one but im not soure what it does, i have not read about it in the training manual. i think ive made good results with the cpc magnets anyway, no flaring in any direction anymore and nearly perfect roundness is ashived but the pattern still moves a little bit when going from under to overfucused.. the red looks razor sharp now, is it normal that the red looks even sharper then green? or is that because i have not reached maximum focus on green? perhaps i should start a new topic instead, i would realy appreasiate if you would look at my test patterns and give your opinoion.
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AFryia
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| Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: DOTS...... nooooooooooooooooooo |
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| jeffslife wrote: | What I want to know I geuss is should I have a source (like BD ) connected when I
adjust the DOTS or disconnected. Does it matter at all? |
I would think adjusting with the internal patterns using P4 would be all that is needed.
What you do is setup the internal PRESET memory blocks first using the internal patterns. Usually starting at P2 then copy to all memories. Then setup P3 and save only to P3, then setup P4 save only to P4. You can roughly set these up, no need to fine tune here.
Now hook up your source with a test disk. Use some BD test disk various patterns, grids, plunge etc. The PJ will now load the closest matching PRESET memory block based on frequency and assign a USER memory.
You will see something like "Memory 4 : 10" or "Memory 10" 4 is the PRESET memory block that was pulled automatically and saved in USER block 10. Any further adjustments made will be saved to Block 10.
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Nashou66
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| andreas wrote: | | aha, thanks! well if it is global i cant fine tune my dvd setup with astig... ive never even checked out the internal frequency menu! i know there is one but im not soure what it does, i have not read about it in the training manual. i think ive made good results with the cpc magnets anyway, no flaring in any direction anymore and nearly perfect roundness is ashived but the pattern still moves a little bit when going from under to overfucused.. the red looks razor sharp now, is it normal that the red looks even sharper then green? or is that because i have not reached maximum focus on green? perhaps i should start a new topic instead, i would realy appreasiate if you would look at my test patterns and give your opinoion. |
That is one thing I noticed , red is always sharper than green no matter what I do. Some others have also noticed this on other PJ brands. I forgot who but somebody mentioned that red phosphor has a different make up than green so it does not excite the surrounding Phosphor when electrons hit it. The green phosphor make up causes it to get contaminated around the area being hit my electrons.
Wish I could find that info. I know someone said it here or I read in on a web site somewhere.
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MikeEby
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This is what I did....First get electronic/magnetic focus right then move to optical. I mounted a white card on a tripod and moved it closer to the projector so I could see the dots easier. Focused the lens in that area only. Then performed magnetic focus adjustments. The final step was to do the optical focus on the actual screen. I used a pair of binoculars while adjusting the lenses this too would help you see the dots easier.
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