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CIR Engineering
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | | CIR Engineering wrote: | | The only downside to the HDP is that the DVI output only support RGB, not YCbCr so no 10-bit color on the output. There is a difference, but it is only slight. It also does not support 1080p 60Hz on the input, but this is not much of a problem with BD supporting 1080p 24Hz now. |
Hmmm... I'm not so worried about the lack of 10-bit color - I'm still using the old HD Fury as my D/A converter...  I am concerned about the lack of support for 1080p/60 on the input, though... Do you know what it does when it sees a 1080p/60 signal input? Does it just pass the scaler (i.e. no processing), or does it go black or something? I'm just trying to figure out where the hell I'd put it in the signal chain if it won't accept 1080p/60... I guess I could get a dedicated BD player and put it behind that, but then all of a sudden I'm spending some real money. Hmm... |
But you will be running the BD player at 1080p 24Hz and the HDP will do that fine on the input. On the rare occasions that you need something other than 1080p 24Hz from the BD you could set it to 1080i 60Hz.
If you give it 1080p 60Hz you will either get no picture, a heavily noisy picture, or a picture that goes in and out.
The HDP is a good match for the HDF1. The HDF1 is actually my favorite HDF because it has the best BW and cleanest image of the three. It's a fine choice with 8-bit color sources.
craigr
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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I was under the impression that the HDFury1 did not support 1080p/24
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't have to... It's downstream from the processor.
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CIR Engineering
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | I was under the impression that the HDFury1 did not support 1080p/24 |
Every source plugs into the Lumagen first through DVI/HDMI. Lumagen outputs DVI to HDF1 at either 60Hz or 72Hz... no 24Hz to projector unless you want a seizure 
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ecrabb
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Dammit, we posted at exactly the same time, Craig!!!
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AnalogRocks
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Ahh Ok gotcha. I thought it was source-----HDFury----processor
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Ahh Ok gotcha. I thought it was source-----HDFury----processor |
It's better to keep the signal in one domain as long as possible without conversions. So when using a digital processor the best bet is to connect everything digitally to avoid unnecessary D/A/D/A conversions. Only convert to analog at the very end of the chain.
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CIR Engineering
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| ecrabb wrote: | Dammit, we posted at exactly the same time, Craig!!!
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Yeah, I have been wasting way too much time on the forums the past three days. I'm going posting crazzzzy 
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Just wanted to point out that I edited an earlier post in this thread regarding image and raster setup. I edited the original and will also repost it here so that nobody does it wrong based on my earlier instructions.
| Quote: | | ecrabb wrote: | | Awesome info, Craig! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'd like to highjack the thread and pick your brain for a second though if you don't mind... A couple of questions: |
No problem...
1a) If you do use the internal pattern, do you push the pattern out beyond the screen border? I had a lot of trouble with ringing and raster distortion (at 1080p) when I did my first couple of setups, and ended up doing a setup where the corners were well off the screen border. I assume it has to do with effectively making the raster larger in relation to the active area to give the beam more time to stabilize before it starts lighting up the raster on the left side.
These days on G70's I use 1080p as the base. For raster image positioning I run an overscan pattern. Then turn down the contrast to something around level 0~5 and turn the brightness up to 100. Usually on the G70 and G90 you can then even see the image and raster on the screen (or you can look directly into the tube). Place the image to the bottom right side of the raster (when viewed on screen) by using the "SHIFT" parameter. This way you will position the image as far away as possible from the leading raster boarder and reduce or eliminate the raster ringing. Then position the picture on the screen using the "CENT" adjustment.
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When you position the image to the bottom left of the raster you should look at a cross hatch or circle hatch patter. As you move the image to the right, at some point you will notice a nonlinearity start to develop on the right side of the image (you will see the hatches and circles start to get squished). When you notice this, back off and shift the image back towards the left of the raster until the nonlinearity goes away. Once the linearity is ok, go one or two more cliecks back to the left just to make sure. Also, don't put the image all the was at the bottom of the raster. Leave at least two clicks between the image and the bottom of the raster...
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