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[Nashou66]

Ok I have been using the interactive mode with calman and the Xs and love the way it works!!! Saves hours!!

But do not use the Super White 11 point setting in options settings. It altered my Lumagen in a way i can not so far fix. I tld Jim Paterson about it and tonight i will try one more thing but just wanted to let any one else know not to use that setting while in interactive mode. It will show you an error when it tries to to show the reading window pop up of 109% field of the AVS HD.

A factory reset does not fix it. here is a video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_CQ3qHfquY

Here is Jims latest e-mail to me and what to try.

Interesting that a factory reset does not fix this.

Go into the CMS Gamut "by matrix" submenu and make sure all the values are in the range of 0 to 1024. I am wondering if they put an out of range value in and that is not getting reset because it is out of range.

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There is a more aggressive factory reset command. Try:

Enter service mode (MENU 0910)
Press MENU 0727
Answer prompt with Yes
Wait for it to complete
Toggle power

Let me know if this does not work.
Thanks.

Jim

So i will have to wait for this method after i get home tonight.

man, if it is not one thing or another with me huh?

Athanasios

[nuttall_chris]

I assume you have tried this but have you tried reloading the firmware? Many firmware releases ago I had my XD get into a state that would only allow one output resolution. No change in settings on the unit would restore full functionality. Reloading a previous fimrware and then the most recent was the only way to fix the problem.

Also did you back up your settings to your PC before attempting your calibration?

Chris.

[Nashou66]

Hi Chris, Yep I did all that. But even if I save the setting i would redo it again any how the interactive mode is soo cool.

Athanasios

[nuttall_chris]

The interactive mode is very cool. I was part of the Calman 4 Beta test group....I don't remember anyone seeing the issue you are having but I'm not sure if anyone in the group was using the XS. I'll hold off on trying that as I don't want to mess up my XD. I'm sure Jim will sort this out and issue an update. It does seem odd that reloading the firmware doesn't fix this as I believe that reloads the entire FPGA....I can't see that this could be caused any other part of the unit? Have you tried leaving the unit unplugged for a few hours after the hard reset?

Chris.

[Nashou66]

[Nashou66]

Ok the Aggressive factory reset did the job. But trying to get all the previous setting back with a menu that is all garbled was challenging. Thank god for having another set up that is mirrored on my right Projector. I turned that on and kinda followed that one and guessed at what the words were on the garbled one. after getting it visible i was able to set it manually to make the flashing RGB bars on the avs disc to show up. Lowering white level was what it needed. Seems like the Lumagen white default is really high. Lowering contrast on the marquee does not make them visible . A value of -19 was where i stopped and greyscale looked good there.

Now for testing the saved config before i did the Extreme reset. loaded it up and back to the issue, and now lowering white messed up the greyscale terribly.

So using the Super white 11 point setting is not good.

I'll mess around more tomorrow to get it back.

Athanasios

[Nashou66]

I just spent the last few hours doing the interactive calibration and it looked awesome, so i put down the lap top screen and went to save the calibration via remote. I put up some patterns and right away i noticed it was back to the same issue again!!!!! I think closing the lap top before saving the calibration via remote changes it back to the same issue i had before. Not sure what caused it but I had to do the aggressive reset again!

Not sure what's going on but i would think just closing the lap top screen should not alter anything. Some how it must be.

Frustrated to say the least, another 4 hours to fix it again tomorrow. This time I'll save the work flow in Calman before closing the lap top and save the calibration via remote of the Lumagen.

Maybe spectracal can add a save calibration to VP button in the same area as the reset calibration button.

or once the final post calibration read is done a save calibration pop up window can come up.

this sucks! Lessons learned i guess.

Athanasios

[Sparky015]

Intreresting. So the Radiance is not saving as you make changes with Calman real-time? That's one thing I didn't check during that class. That's pretty retarded if you have to physically go into the Radiance to save. Sounds like there are still bugs. In class they mentioned some bug fixes coming out real soon, so this may be one of them.

[Nashou66]

I agree Paul very stupid!!! But one thing that is more retarded is how it does the same thing that using the super white 11 point setting. Unless I just thought it was that, and its really the problem i just described. On my right PJ i must have saved the info first so did not get the issue.

And another thing is loading the saved Radiance file does not fix the elevated whit level, you have to do the aggressive factory reset. A reload of the saved file does not fix it.

Athanasios

[Sparky015]

Sounds like a serious bug. I think I will be grabbing a Radiance here soon. I hear rumblings of CEDIA deals. Hopefully they work out these bugs quickly.

[Nashou66]

L.A Haberlein Liked my Idea of adding a "Save calibration to Radiance" button and is adding it to the list of next features.

But this still does not explain why it alters the calibration when not saving.

Hopefully Spectracal will fix it, i think it is more their issue than Lumagens.

Athanasios

[Nashou66]

Ok so I have been having this issue I thought was CalMan related when it was in Interactive mode controlling the Radiance XS. For the past month I have been going back and forth with Jim At Lumagen and LA Haberlein at Spectracal. First I must Say that Both were extremely patient and very helpful with looking at Ideas to try and even talked at CEDIA about my issue.

What I was seeing was as CalMan v4 did the adjustments in the lumagen after a second or third run i would get this weird color shift at about 95% White.






And if you tried more it get real wacky!!



Also related was that with everything set to default on the XS it clipped whites above id say 70% white.

On the AVS HD disc the pattern that has the flashing bars that signify white from 230 to 253 was totally clipped.
I Did not take a pic of this though.

So i had a few conversations with Calibrator RayJr as well, so we tried to change to PC level and for some reason i was able to get the bars to show from 238-230. But i had everything set at video level from the Oppo to the Tv-one and the Moome card. I did the calibration and still got the issue as in the pics above.

I tried to adjust Contrast and Brightness on the Marquees to no avail, no flashing bars at any digital level.

I did bother to check the Lumagens controls for one I never did on the HDQ's i had and second of Jims statement to me in an E-Mail:

"Our input to output levels are very accurate. THX was noting we were off by 0 to 1 least-significant-bit (LSB) by default, which is really pretty accurate for a processor."

So i never bothered. I contemplated what the hell was going on and did some reading and research about color and the affects of contrast and brightness. I decided that this must be the issue.

So i went back into the lumagens and noticed one had Black level set to 17 while the other had it at defaults of 0 for White and Black. I had the stair step pattern up on the screen form a saved calibration i saved to my PC with the Lumagen
configuration program, and while I lowered the black back to 0 I lost the top end bars. So this got me to thinking, something is definitely clipping the top end in the radiance.

So I did a "Extreme reset" which you have to be in service mode to activate, menu>0727>reset>toggle power off.

I then got the radiance back to default and put up the flashing bars and lowered white level and sure enough
i got the flashing bars. I had to lower it to about -18. And conversely raising black level also brings the flashing bars back, but do not use this as I tested both Marquee's with one raised Black and the other lowered white. when doing the Interactive mode the lowered white behaved perfectly. The raised Black level gave me the same issue as the pics above.

So Mike I am not sure if Craig set black or White level in the Lumagen. You can check by hitting menu, output, then the config your using , they go from 0 to 7 I think. Then select Config> Color Mangement> and then go to black or white and see if they are set to 0. Do this having a stair step pattern up . Are your top bars showing? if so what setting are your set to?

So for now the issue is resolved I think. i tried to make those pink and blue or green 95% white come up again when white is lowered and no luck. So i think another mystery is solved, user error or Hardware caused I am not sure at this moment but it looks like a little bit of both.

I think it was Jim's comment to be above that made me think it was CalMan and not the radiance.


Athanasios

[mp20748]

Wow..

The colors freaked me there for awhile..

I'll copy your text (print it) and try this myself. Looks like you may have stumbled onto something.

Since your post in the S/S thread, I looked at the clipping problem, but not from a calibrated point of view. Even not being calibrated, it looks off, or too peaked.

I'll post the shots I took on the S/S thread and then try your method on the PJ..

be bak!

[Nashou66]

Yeah that what i said after a calibration run and going to do a visual check and seeing that does freak you out. what you will see is just white on the top end, last three or four bars if your radiance is clipping. I have a feeling something in calman altered mine some how. not sure so this is why i need confirmation. i also will put another BD player in the mix just to be sure its not the Oppo.

Athanasios

[mp20748]

I ran a similar step pattern in Blu Ray DVE. Checked both Black and white settings in the Radiance.

Neither showed anything abnormal. The settings in the Radiance wee both at "0"

The step patterns did not have the color problems, but there was a slight clipping, which could be expected from things not yet being calibrated.

The only problem I did notice was some shading on the steps. The steps each should be pure with no shading or shifting from one side to the other. That too could be corrected after calibration, but it also indicates that there could be a problem between the Blu Ray, Radiance or Moome (color space), or most likely the Moome being in one of those added boost modes or brighter modes selectable using the remote.

I'll also look into that this week.


The colors being where and what they are in your shots still have me freaked. I've seen that or something very similar but can't remember.

[Nashou66]

Thanks for looking mike, I should check the DVE step pattern as well. You never know it could be the AVS HD disc. its a BD authored but burned on a regular DVD.

I do have a color space change going on in the TV one . For some reason when i try to output YUV to the moome it wont change from RGB. So i still need to swap out the chip that Moome sent me so I can force what ever Color Space i want.

My steps have a shading as well, lighter to darker from right to left.

I Also for some reason my Tv-One will not accept 442 after a Beta firmware they had me try out. They still are trying to figure out what happened, going back to an earlier version did not work. So its 444 all the way to the tv-one where it converts to Digital RGBHV out to the moome.


So if yours is set to "0" ,and mine is as well, and i get the clipping then all I can say is CalMan did something in the radiance to mess it up.
I connected the Oppo directly to the Marquee and got the flashing bars, added in the MUX and TV-One with no radiance and got the flashing bars.
Added in the lumagen set to default settings and loose the flashing Bars.

Athnaasios

[Nashou66]

Spammer is back again!!!!!

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[Nashou66]

Ok now this is Effed up!!!! I think that Calman altered my Two Radiance's !!!!

I am not sure what procedure i did to get this to happen but i discovered the issue.

there are two things that might have caused this:

1) when Calman first came out they had a 11 point with super white setting. I tried this and it froze the Program and this is when i first noticed the weird
95% ire issue. However i do not recall if i tried it on both Radiances so it might not be the cause of the issue.

2) I also noticed this while in interactive mode if you go through the interactive set up twice in a row id get the weird greyscale star step pattern colors. This I know i have tried on both Units.

So here is what i am seeing and its happening with the remote as well.

I was doing 100% window and noticed that the 109 window was changing while the 100% still looked the same. So i went to do the 90% window and it looked like nothing was changing, i was getting slight changes in the RGB bars in calMan but nothing drastic like i am used to seeing when it makes changes.
So i decided to go back and look at the 100% window, its now all Yellowish!!!!

So i did 80% and then looked at 90 and it went yellowish too!!!
So now i decided to put up the 100% window but move the slider in the interactive gamma/RGB on the 90% tile. Low and Behold if i did not see the 100% window on the screen having changes made!!!
So i went to the 90% window on the screen and adjusted the 80% window
in calman, same thing the 90% window being projected was changing!
i did this all the way down to 0 and it adjusted 10%.

So now i am thinking its calman doing it, so just to be sure i put up the 90% window and went to adjust it with the onscreen menu and remote
It look like nothing happened as i ramped green all the way down to 70.
So i put up the 100% window and it changed to pinkish/blue!!!!

So something happened to my two radiance's using CalMan Interactive!!!!

One thing i did not test and it might make a difference. I sed the remote while calman was still connected to the radiance I am pretty sure,I'll check again,I am tired now from checking it all out.


I posted this over on the Lumagen Forum and the Spectracal forums as well and called LA Heberlien from Spectracal and left him a voice mail.


Weird sh*t huh?

Athanasios

[Ron W]