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ecrabb
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tuxman... Lighten up. It's not superiority complex, but personalities coming out in their reactions to your post. Most of us here live and breathe this stuff, and your post seemed a little weird... Like the new guy coming into the bar where the regulars hang out and saying, "Hey, you guys gotta try this one beer..."
Wan is typically abrasive, so don't worry about him.
The HW15 is indeed a great machine, and given both at the same price, I'd take it in a heartbeat over an XG LC or my G70. I've seen the picture on this machine and on the JVC RS20, and I could easily live with either in my room. Great looking machines. Digital has arrived in terms of PQ if you can afford a newer machine. What they lack in absolute black, they more than make up for in terms of brightness, ANSI contrast, sharpness and detail, size and impact on room, and quietness. I'm sure I'll be making the switch in a year or two if I can find a deal on a used machine. I can't wait to see what some of the new machines look like at CEDIA in a few weeks.
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TheVerge
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| ecrabb wrote: | Like the new guy coming into the bar where the regulars hang out and saying, "Hey, you guys gotta try this one beer..."
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Ya lol... it's nothing personal.
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tri_joel
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The HW15 is indeed a great machine, and given both at the same price, I'd take it in a heartbeat over an XG LC or my G70. I've seen the picture on this machine and on the JVC RS20, and I could easily live with either in my room. Great looking machines. Digital has arrived in terms of PQ if you can afford a newer machine. What they lack in absolute black, they more than make up for in terms of brightness, ANSI contrast, sharpness and detail, size and impact on room, and quietness. I'm sure I'll be making the switch in a year or two if I can find a deal on a used machine. I can't wait to see what some of the new machines look like at CEDIA in a few weeks.
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Finally. I've been waiting for someone to give an opinion on the machine other than it's a year old technology.
I'm starting to get tired of fussing with my BG1208. It's been fun over the last couple of years but as my interests change into other areas, I'm starting to lean toward a plug-and-play projector.
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tuxman
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| ecrabb wrote: | tuxman... Lighten up. It's not superiority complex, but personalities coming out in their reactions to your post. Most of us here live and breathe this stuff, and your post seemed a little weird... Like the new guy coming into the bar where the regulars hang out and saying, "Hey, you guys gotta try this one beer..."
Wan is typically abrasive, so don't worry about him.
The HW15 is indeed a great machine, and given both at the same price, I'd take it in a heartbeat over an XG LC or my G70. I've seen the picture on this machine and on the JVC RS20, and I could easily live with either in my room. Great looking machines. Digital has arrived in terms of PQ if you can afford a newer machine. What they lack in absolute black, they more than make up for in terms of brightness, ANSI contrast, sharpness and detail, size and impact on room, and quietness. I'm sure I'll be making the switch in a year or two if I can find a deal on a used machine. I can't wait to see what some of the new machines look like at CEDIA in a few weeks.
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Thank you very much for the feedback!
It's been awhile since I've been to Curt Palme fourms, the last time was when I was setting up my NEC 9PG years ago. My current lcd pj was not making me very happy, loved my old nec, so I was looking at getting a new one over at newegg, and came across a non-dlp sony with 60,000:1 contrast ratio? and thought it was too good too be true. (true blacks and sharp focus would be nice like G90 nice!)
Last week I picked up a Sony 1272Q on CL for $200 and I am happy again, but I was very courious about this 60,000:1 and knew this was the go to fourm for all things projector related.
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tuxman
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| tri_joel wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: |
The HW15 is indeed a great machine, and given both at the same price, I'd take it in a heartbeat over an XG LC or my G70. I've seen the picture on this machine and on the JVC RS20, and I could easily live with either in my room. Great looking machines. Digital has arrived in terms of PQ if you can afford a newer machine. What they lack in absolute black, they more than make up for in terms of brightness, ANSI contrast, sharpness and detail, size and impact on room, and quietness. I'm sure I'll be making the switch in a year or two if I can find a deal on a used machine. I can't wait to see what some of the new machines look like at CEDIA in a few weeks.
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Finally. I've been waiting for someone to give an opinion on the machine other than it's a year old technology.
I'm starting to get tired of fussing with my BG1208. It's been fun over the last couple of years but as my interests change into other areas, I'm starting to lean toward a plug-and-play projector. |
I do like plug and play easy, I know where you are coming from it took me almost 2 weeks to setup my first crt pj 
A BIG THANK YOU TO CURT PALME! I would never have known happiness if it was not for his website.
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mp20748
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Well, at the end of the day, whatever model this Sony thing is, It's still a Digital.
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Spanky Ham
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I think anyone looking at digitals should wait till after Cedia. Epson is introducing their new LCOS pjs that should be a huge step up. I believe Sony's native cr is in the 5k to 7k range, while the Epsons will be 25k to 40k depending on the model. Calibrated specs will hopefully be no worse than 15k to 1.
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The new Epsons have already been shown at IFA. Strange that Epson is calling their technology Reflective 3LCD instead of LCoS or some marketable name. Its got people wondering if Epson is just using traditional LCD panels in reflective orientation, or if they developed or OEM'd real LCoS panels and calling them Reflective 3LCD in order to continue with their 3LCD brand marketing.
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HINT: Google 'text to binary translator' if you really must cheat
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AnalogRocks
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Greg, yoou're a geek laddy. 
So in short Sony Sucks but you wouldn't kick a freebie outta bed
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JustGreg
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 That I am; albeit an old one. Pissing away the time to encode that is one of the curses of working an extended second shift...can't work outside cause I'll wake the neighbors, can't work inside cause I'll wake the wife...  man I need a new job!
I thought it time to revisit my Sony cockroach/Taco Bell trash experiences with Sony's piss poor; if not corrupt 'warranty' programs. The minority has had no problems but in my experience too many have had a bad experience to give Sony a thumbs up. Sadly, poor warranty honoring has become the norm across the board for lower level consumer electronics since my experience. Just try and get through to Logitech about one of their Harmony series. It takes a month of Sundays and ends in bitter disappointment.
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yonexsp
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: if I had the money for another PJ... |
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| tuxman wrote: | If I had the money for another PJ... For me, it would be a toss up between the Sony VPLHW15 and NEC XG 110 LC
So I like easy setup, easy mounting of LCD, plus the Sony seems to have all the right specs on paper. It has tons of features too. But, the lack of depth along with poor contrast ratio has kept me loving my CRT. Got to love those flesh tones on the NEC.
Could the Sony VPLHW15 make a believer out of me? |
I replaced my XG1101LC with the VPL-HW15 2 months ago.
In short, stunning and no competition. The Sony kills the XG in every way except absolute fade to black, and even that it's not far off.
My XG was dialed in as well, 1080@96hz, HTPC driven, gamma correction max raster, astig etc etc etc
Ben came over 2 week ago to take a look, he can tell you.
Bottom line; Digitals under $3000k are there and trounce CRT except perhaps a top-o-the line Barco Cine9 with all the bells and whistles. But then the cost os out of whack.
Even with my XG, to have the same level of convenience was a pain in the ass, moome this etc etc etc
More than happy to chat about my "Move to the 'used to be grey' side"
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Spanky Ham
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Glad your happy, Yon. The Sony does maybe 5k to 1 on/off and I have heard their motion resolution solution is crap. There is also the issue of longevity, as Sony is reported to be the worst in the field right now. I don't blame you for moving, but I would have waited.
If anyone is looking to move to digital, then Cedia is next week.
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These LCoS projectors sound good to me but I don't know where I can check out an LCoS in a showroom to see for myself. I wish you could get them with LED bulbs without breaking the bank too. That's when I'll get rid of my CRT.
Anyway, LCoS has got to beat DLP right? All the DLP projectors I've seen look terrible... poor blacks and desaturated colors. Plus that rainbow effect really bothers me.
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THe LED dlps are the ones that will eliminate rainbows for those that are afflicted.
I am not sure when or if there will be LED LCOS or not. I will find out how good and what the pricing will be on the Epsons.
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How does an LED bulb solve the rainbow problem? Can't only an improved color wheel do that?
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Spanky Ham
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It is not one bulb, but a bulb for each color.
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | Glad your happy, Yon. The Sony does maybe 5k to 1 on/off and I have heard their motion resolution solution is crap. There is also the issue of longevity, as Sony is reported to be the worst in the field right now. I don't blame you for moving, but I would have waited.
If anyone is looking to move to digital, then Cedia is next week. |
Well, I have been an avid crt'er for years. All I know is what I know and not what I have heard, or maybe's. It is awesome.
Also, the Sony does not have any motion feature (interpolation smoothing), some like it some don't, but as the 15 does not have it, what the hell do I know.
All I know is what I see, any CRT'er will be very very very happy with Lcos (SXRD).
Bottom line, it is better, more pleasing, easier, quieter (silent), brighter, prettier and so far trouble free, and under a 2 year warranty longer than an XGLC, full stop.
Anyone who is visiting Toronto is free to come check for themselves.
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I am also perhaps investing in an Sony HW15, because my BG1208 just died of an imploding blue tube.
I was away in the weekend and looked at Epson TW3500, Panasonic PT-AE4000, Sony VPL-HW15 and (i think) Epson TW5500.
TW3500 was sh*t, and for the money i have The battle is between Panasonic and Sony. The TW5500 was out of my range.
TW5500 was a tad better, but not much. Sony had the most crt like image, but the Pana had more settings for film sizes (lenszoom).
So for pure 2.35:1 movies the Panasonic is better, utilizing most on the panels.
Contrast ratio on Sony's with iris of is only around 800:1, hmm. I watched it with autoiris off. The Panasonic has higher lightoutput.
So i haven't decided yet..
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| ncc1701d wrote: | I am also perhaps investing in an Sony HW15, because my BG1208 just died of an imploding blue tube.
I was away in the weekend and looked at Epson TW3500, Panasonic PT-AE4000, Sony VPL-HW15 and (i think) Epson TW5500.
TW3500 was sh*t, and for the money i have The battle is between Panasonic and Sony. The TW5500 was out of my range.
TW5500 was a tad better, but not much. Sony had the most crt like image, but the Pana had more settings for film sizes (lenszoom).
So for pure 2.35:1 movies the Panasonic is better, utilizing most on the panels.
Contrast ratio on Sony's with iris of is only around 800:1, hmm. I watched it with autoiris off. The Panasonic has higher lightoutput.
So i haven't decided yet.. |
800:1, I think not. Only if you set the brightness to high. Also, low lamp mode or high lamp mode?
Did you do a quick calibration per the thread on avs, makes a nice difference
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