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Will edge blanking protect CRT against horizontal overscan?

 
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RogerH



Joined: 14 Jul 2010
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Location: Minneapolis

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:15 pm    Post subject: Will edge blanking protect CRT against horizontal overscan?

Would it be considered safe to rely on edge blanking to protect the sides of the CRT face from thermal stress due to image/raster overscan?

I am thinking of going to a constant 16 x 9 aspect ratio by creating a second memory that is scaled-up and edge-blanked specifically for 2.40 aspect movies, effectively cropping the sides to keep a constant image height for all movies on my 16 x 9 screen.

My XG-852 is set up closer than spec (intentionally) to the screen and currently has safe margins around the rasters to prevent running off the CRT face. I would have to see where my sides end up on the crt face if I scale a 2.40 movie to fill my screen vertically, but I expect there would be some overrun or at least uncomfortable margin.

It seems that constant aspect ratios have been discussed at length, but I can't seem to find much on the CRT-specific question of relying on edge blanking to protect against potential thermal cracking due to beam runoff. I guess the beam could still be scanning off edge, but I am hoping that if it is blanked there would be no significant heating energy to stress the glass.

My Blu-Ray player (Panasonic BMP-BD85K) seems like it should do this little function for me with the Zoom or Edge Crop functions, which I would think would let me fill the 16x9 screen vertically when showing wider-aspect movies. But these settings seem to make no difference on any movies that I currently have (and the manual says they may have no effect, with no explanation why or when).

Would this be a risky idea?
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virusc



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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:23 pm    Post subject:

to a point yes. Their still will be beam current striking close or on tube side surface but at near 0 current. You still could crack tube due to heat and glass expansion though and geometry and convergence components are also overstressed.
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RogerH



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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:38 pm    Post subject:

Crap.

I completely forgot about the H convergence and sweep circuits running overboard. I guess that in itself is enough reason to not try it.

Well, I guess I will stay with variable aspect. If and when uneven CRT wear from showing too many wide aspect movies shows up on the 16 x 9 display, I can then decide if constant 2.4:1 aspect is worth it.

Thanks.
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zGman



Joined: 22 May 2006
Posts: 599


Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:14 pm    Post subject:

Seems like I recall there was an issue with the tube necks
cracking with over-scan on NEC. They use a very thin
neck which leaves no margin for beam clearance.

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ecrabb
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:46 pm    Post subject:

Why would you want to do this, anyway? I can't imagine chopping off nearly a full third of the original scope image just to eliminate some black bars. That's a lot of the film frame just gone! It would seriously screw up a lot of really nice scene compositions.

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RogerH



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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:03 pm    Post subject:

I gave away my reason in my followup post above. It comes down to making the best choice of what size/shape/aspect ratio that I want my essentially new tubes to wear. I didn't want to start burning in a 2.35 aspect ratio and decide later that a 16 x 9 might have been better.

With my Faroudja as a source I used to set an average gray level in the black areas of non-16 x 9 material, but it will no longer be in the loop, and I still want to keep the wear uniform.
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virusc



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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:02 pm    Post subject:

get a video processor that allows you to move image vertically or use raster shift and move the image up and down10% every other movie.
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ecrabb
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:49 pm    Post subject:

RogerH wrote:
I gave away my reason in my followup post above. It comes down to making the best choice of what size/shape/aspect ratio that I want my essentially new tubes to wear. I didn't want to start burning in a 2.35 aspect ratio and decide later that a 16 x 9 might have been better.

Bah. Unless you watch 90% scope and have your contrast jacked up to blooming, it isn't going to be a problem. If you're reasonable with contrast, calibrate, and watch a variety of material, then by the time you have scope wear that significantly impacts your enjoyment of 1.85 material, you'll be ready for a new projector anyway.

Since I started using my minty G70 about two years ago, I've racked up about 1300-some hours on my machine - almost 150 of which were playing PS3 games. By far, most of the rest of the hours were scope movies - what, 2/3 or so? When I last checked at around 1100 hours, I didn't have the slightest hint of wear - not even on the blue tube.

IMHO, why impact your enjoyment of the films themselves by chopping off a third of the movie, all so you can save wear on the tubes? Doesn't that strike you a little like buying a Corvette, and reprogramming the ECM to use only half the horsepower - just to make the engine last longer?

I say just calibrate the damn thing and use it!

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