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Greyscale Calibration - Please help
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Elix



Joined: 23 Jan 2011
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:43 pm    Post subject:

Do you know any heavy-duty meters which are suited for plasma calibration? I might wanna rent one.
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kal
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:06 pm    Post subject:

Elix wrote:
Do you know any heavy-duty meters which are suited for plasma calibration? I might wanna rent one.

What do you mean by "heavy-duty"?
You may want to read my FAQ "Which meter is right for me?". It's here: https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=11436.html

The Chroma 5 colorimeter is a good meter for Plasma as plasma's tend to run hot and the Chroma 5 uses advanced temp compensation. Again, it all depends on recently it was recalibrated too. See: http://www.curtpalme.com/ChromaPure_Chroma5.shtm

If you want something extremely accurate, consider a reference meter like the JETI Specbox 1211. It's over $10,000. See: http://www.curtpalme.com/ChromaPure_JETI.shtm
It's a spectroradiometer so it won't drift as much a colorimeter.

The Hubble is in between: It's pretty much the best colorimeter you can buy but should be re-cal'ed once a year or so. See: http://www.curtpalme.com/ChromaPure_Hubble.shtm

What meter you use depends on what software you use as not all software supports all meters.

You should also read this article able meter accuracy: https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=22015.html

Kal

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Elix



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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:42 am    Post subject:

Thanks! That article cleared things up. As I understand, I should grab a spectroradiometer somewhere (Eye Pro, for example) and build a calibration file for my i1 Diplay 2 in ColorHCFR using simultaneous measures? Will that work?
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:31 am    Post subject:

Elix wrote:
Thanks! That article cleared things up. As I understand, I should grab a spectroradiometer somewhere (Eye Pro, for example) and build a calibration file for my i1 Diplay 2 in ColorHCFR using simultaneous measures? Will that work?

I've never used any sort of profiling with ColorHCFR but if it supports it and work well, then yes, that's a good option. Be aware that the i1Pro doesn't read very low (into black) so you may not be able to do profiling for the really dark.

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Neologist



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Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 9:24 pm    Post subject:

Hey guys,

itīs me again.

So I finally managed to purchase a new probe.
I remeasured my G20 and calibrated it.
Funny thing is, resultīs are pretty much the same. Color tints within a range of grey grades. No matter if callibrated settings oder pre-installed ones like THX.

Probably it actually is the a tvīs color production.

Anyway, my gamma is a bit low and it drops at higher IREs. Where should I preferrably have the gamme curve to match reference? in the lower IREs or the higher ones?
Besides: What can I do to rise or straighten the gamma anyway? What setting do actually affect gamma?

Best regards,

Neologist



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Elix



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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:26 am    Post subject:

This is frustrating. Reviews never mentioned anything like this. I suspect it's just that plasma doesn't handle gradients too well. Anyway I still want to get a photo radiometer and try calibrating my GT20 once again.
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Neologist



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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:28 pm    Post subject:

Hey dudes,

I managed to recalibrate the TV set on my LG BD370 and the PS3. Took me all freakinīnight but I think itīs worth the expense.

The grey-scale deviance is less now and I managed to move the deviance down to the lower IREs. I resulted in a more straight and higher gamma of 2.14 now. I checked it by watching Star Wars in a darkened room and was quite wowed by the picture.
Great shadow detail and still glowy and genuine colors. I mean, the picture was awesome on THX already and the pre-callibrated values were quite good. Still I think I squeezed some additional contrast and more balanced picture out of it.
I attached the results below.

Regarding the grey-scale-tints:

What I found is that the GW20 has a tendency to push the red in the 30 IRE. By also using IRE 25, 35 and 70 itīs possible to balance out this sudden rise and have this tendency to spread among the other IREs. I thought this might be quiet useful since the human eye adapts quite fast and would sense a difference between 2 shades of grey (especially with a red tint) more sesitively than a slight tint overall.
Also I do think that this drift to red might be due to a plasmaīs operation to produce colors. Plasmas use additive color while LCDs use substractive color mixing. The plasma will try to achieve a certain shade of grey by intermittently firing up plasma cells with blue, green and red in the same amount. An effect that you might see when shades of color or tones are supposed to go from light to dark (like a picture of a sky) is banding. If you have this ladder-patterns you will encounter banding as well. Since your eye is quite sensitive to red what you see is the red tinted band.

Best regards,

Neologist



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