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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Can you stream video to the PS3 in linux?
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| WanMan wrote: | Why be laughing at someone that bought something for a feature only to have the manufacturer remove aid feature later? How would you like to buy a new car with a supercharger installed only to have the feature removed after purchase? Car will still run in naturally aspirated condition, but its a screw-you situation.
I hear the Class Action case is coming up, though. At least if you bought a Slim you knew what you were getting, which wasn't the Linux feature. |
Correct me if I am wrong, but if you don't update then you can still use Linux. So, the people that bought it for Linux don't have to do the update. According to Wiki:
| Quote: | Among the changes made to the 'slim' model was the removal of the OtherOS feature; the ability to install another operating system alongside the main system software. This was claimed to have been removed to focus on games and other content (new drivers etc. would have had to be written for the new hardware for use in the alternative OS), although it is possible that Sony discovered a vulnerability in the feature that would enable hacking of the console. Such a vulnerability was later found on the original (non-slim) versions by George Hotz, who created a hack that uses the OtherOS feature to take control of the hypervisor.[132]
As of firmware version 3.21, installation of Other OSs is not supported on any model, and the option has been removed from the XMB.[133] The reason given by Sony was 'disabling the “OtherOS” feature will help ensure that PS3 owners will continue to have access to the broad range of gaming and entertainment content from SCE and its content partners on a more secure system.'[134] Sony's main Linux developer has been reassigned, so any PS3 Linux development would have to be on his own time.[135] This has caused some controversy as in effect Sony is removing officially advertised features and support from already sold products.[136]. This controversy has also sparked several class action lawsuits aimed at making Sony return the feature and/or to get some sort of compensation[137][138][139].
Firmware update 3.21 is mandatory for access to the PlayStation Network and as such many features such as online gaming and access to the PlayStation store are unavailable to those who choose not to update. Additionally, future games requiring firmware 3.21 or later and Blu-ray movies which require future BD profiles may not be played without the appropriate update. |
Wiki confirms it. You lose some functionality, but you still can run Linux. Does it suck for those that are using PS3 for everything? Yes, but again how many people are we talking about? As Jim Lynch said, modern hardware will run rings around the PS3 for Linux. So, those that are using the PS3 for blu ray and games only could care less and those that are using it for Linux only are still ok. It is only those that want to use it for everything or Linux fan boys who don't even own the PS3, but get upset at things like this.
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WanMan
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | WanMan wrote: | Why be laughing at someone that bought something for a feature only to have the manufacturer remove aid feature later? How would you like to buy a new car with a supercharger installed only to have the feature removed after purchase? Car will still run in naturally aspirated condition, but its a screw-you situation.
I hear the Class Action case is coming up, though. At least if you bought a Slim you knew what you were getting, which wasn't the Linux feature. |
Correct me if I am wrong, but if you don't update then you can still use Linux. So, the people that bought it for Linux don't have to do the update. According to Wiki:
| Quote: | Among the changes made to the 'slim' model was the removal of the OtherOS feature; the ability to install another operating system alongside the main system software. This was claimed to have been removed to focus on games and other content (new drivers etc. would have had to be written for the new hardware for use in the alternative OS), although it is possible that Sony discovered a vulnerability in the feature that would enable hacking of the console. Such a vulnerability was later found on the original (non-slim) versions by George Hotz, who created a hack that uses the OtherOS feature to take control of the hypervisor.[132]
As of firmware version 3.21, installation of Other OSs is not supported on any model, and the option has been removed from the XMB.[133] The reason given by Sony was 'disabling the “OtherOS” feature will help ensure that PS3 owners will continue to have access to the broad range of gaming and entertainment content from SCE and its content partners on a more secure system.'[134] Sony's main Linux developer has been reassigned, so any PS3 Linux development would have to be on his own time.[135] This has caused some controversy as in effect Sony is removing officially advertised features and support from already sold products.[136]. This controversy has also sparked several class action lawsuits aimed at making Sony return the feature and/or to get some sort of compensation[137][138][139].
Firmware update 3.21 is mandatory for access to the PlayStation Network and as such many features such as online gaming and access to the PlayStation store are unavailable to those who choose not to update. Additionally, future games requiring firmware 3.21 or later and Blu-ray movies which require future BD profiles may not be played without the appropriate update. |
Wiki confirms it. You lose some functionality, but you still can run Linux. Does it suck for those that are using PS3 for everything? Yes, but again how many people are we talking about? As Jim Lynch said, modern hardware will run rings around the PS3 for Linux. So, those that are using the PS3 for blu ray and games only could care less and those that are using it for Linux only are still ok. It is only those that want to use it for everything or Linux fan boys who don't even own the PS3, but get upset at things like this. |
Yes, but had I not been one of the geeks out there that actually reads first and decides second it is still a problem as someone will undoubtedly come across a BD movie that will not play unless updated.
And now the US Air Force's 1700 PS3's are in jeopardy if any update get's mistakenly dethrowned.
And none of this means a hill of beans. I paid for something and have every right to continue to have what I paid for. Sorry you feel the opposite, Comrade. 
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Again, how many Linux PS3 users probably aren't up to date?
I would guess that the Air Force can get that changed back.
As for your last point, how long should a company support something that isn't profitable, beneficial or may even be detrimental to them? At the end of the day, speak with your wallet. If you don't like it, then don't buy Sony products.
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WanMan
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Isn't profitable? Once the sale took place it was a one-time profit. I doubt the removal of this feature had anything to do with inhibiting other features being added or updated. Now, if they wanted to limit updates and no longer offer updates on the units having this advertised and sold feature then so be it, but this is like coming into people's homes and removing something.
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Spanky Ham
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Wan,
Do you own a PS3? If so, do you have Linux installed? If not, then please don't say that is not the point.
Also, on your car analogy this is like removing the ashtray not a supercharger. Every owner benefits from a supercharger. Smokers are the only ones that need an ashtray.
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WanMan
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:52 am Post subject: |
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I have two PS3's. I have a 60GB version that had a grounded plus that allowed it to be toasted during a lightning surge, and a Slim. I bought the 60GB because of its features. If I were to get it repaired ($149) it'll likely be with the latest firmware and an a la no Linux for me. The Slim never came with the feature and I knew this going into the purchase.
No, not really. I don't buy cars based on ashtrays, but I do on things like superchargers. That is the whole point. For someone that didn't on this feature it is a non-issue. But for those of us that did, then there is an issue.
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Spanky Ham
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So, you are running Linux on one of your boxes? Are you running Linux on any of your other computers? If yes to both, then which is faster?
FYI, I am running Ubuntu right now and like it. Would I run it on a PS3? Probably not, as my computer is likely to be faster.
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WanMan
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Still, that point you are trying to create isn't working. Makes no difference if one is using the feature or not. Its about if they bought something because of a particular feature and it was removed after the purchase. Plain and simple. For instance, I bought a house with four toilets in it. I loved the fact that my wife and two other people could be sh*ting at the same time I need to. Doesn't mean I am going to be using a particular toilet. But if the builder came and removed the least tempted [to use] toilet (tempted by me, of course), I'd have something to say about it. It's all about what I paid for.
Now, you on the other hand apparently have some sort of nano-thin line of gray area to which this can happen. Since you can never say with an absolute certainty that you would have used that toilet over the other three its ok to have paid for said removed toilet. You are truly an abusable cowsumer. 
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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I have a PS3 slim connected to the tv in the family room. I would like to occasionally surf the internet on the "big" (36 inch 4:3 HD CRT) screen but the internet browser in the PS3 is awkward to use and incompatible with some sites. But I don't want to hook up a computer and leave it there, so I make do with the ps3.
Too bad there isn't an easier way to allow for occasional web surfing; the linux approach seemed promising but I suppose what is being said is that that is no longer an option.
But I also have an older 80 gig "fat ps3 in the theaterroom and I could switch these. Would I then be able to load and retain linux os on the older ps3?
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AnalogRocks
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| ralpharch wrote: | I have a PS3 slim connected to the tv in the family room. I would like to occasionally surf the internet on the "big" (36 inch 4:3 HD CRT) screen but the internet browser in the PS3 is awkward to use and incompatible with some sites. But I don't want to hook up a computer and leave it there, so I make do with the ps3.
Too bad there isn't an easier way to allow for occasional web surfing; the linux approach seemed promising but I suppose what is being said is that that is no longer an option.
But I also have an older 80 gig "fat ps3 in the theaterroom and I could switch these. Would I then be able to load and retain linux os on the older ps3? |
Check the menu on the PS3. Check for a listing that says "Install other operating system" if it has that option in the menu then yes you can.
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