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skittletop
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:54 am Post subject: Screen Size Sweet Spot |
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Hey Guys,
I'm thinking of upgrading to a larger screen, I'm currently running a 1292 on a 92" 16:9 screen, which is great by the way. But, we all know bigger is better right  what would you consider the best brightness/size trade off is.
Also, I've noticed a few larger screens popping up that are extremely well priced from Elite Screens, anyone have any experience with these, particularly with regarding CRT.
www.elitescreens.com
They have a good range of budget screens going from 92->150 inches < $200 I quite fancy the 135" (M135XWH) but is this too much area for my lummen deficient 1292 to fill.
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Brad.
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Tom.W
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Bigger means you burn the tubes faster... Pick your poison Brad
92 inches is about right for a 9 inch CRT...JMO.
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Ben851
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92" Just right for a 9" CRT?! Boy I must have missed that memo... I'm running a 6pg on a 106" Screen @ 1080i. Yes, I've got the contrast cranked up to about 80% but my screen is also barely 1.0 gain. The tubes are mint and the unit is so old that I figure I'll be upgrading long before I wear out the tubes.
I bought an Accuscreen which is in the same price range as the Elite screens you are talking about. If I were doing it all over, I would have bought the screen material from Hurley screen and built a frame. Their superglo material is rated for 1.5 gain and enough for a 106" screen should be under $200...
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zaphod
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Screen Size Sweet Spot |
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| skittletop wrote: | Hey Guys,
I'm thinking of upgrading to a larger screen, I'm currently running a 1292 on a 92" 16:9 screen, which is great by the way. But, we all know bigger is better right what would you consider the best brightness/size trade off is.
Also, I've noticed a few larger screens popping up that are extremely well priced from Elite Screens, anyone have any experience with these, particularly with regarding CRT.
www.elitescreens.com
They have a good range of budget screens going from 92->150 inches < $200 I quite fancy the 135" (M135XWH) but is this too much area for my lummen deficient 1292 to fill.
Thanks,
Brad. |
be very careful with them. inspect the screen carefully, and then again when you get it. look for wrinkles. keep all paperwork. my experience ended with a better business bureau settlement. after a "shipping issue".
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ecrabb
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First of all, we need to clarify if we're talking width or diagonal. I assume you're talking diagonal, but... 92" wide isn't bad... 92" diag is way small. Next, you need to throw gain in the equation. You can't say "92-inches is a sweet spot", because depending on the gain, even that could be a little large. Finally, talking screen sizes without talking about viewing angles is tough, too. What's your current screen size (diag or width) and viewing angle?
I'm running my G70 on a WilsonArt screen (~1.2 gain), 96x54 (110 diag), and have about a 45-degree viewing angle. It's very immersive, and plenty bright. You really need to run 1080p at that viewing angle, and while scope is about perfect, 16:9 is a little too large.
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papalek
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I have been running my 4600 on a 120"wide 1.2 gain screen fora few years. It is plenty bright in a lite controlled room and I have contrast at about 75.
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Clarence
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| Tom.W wrote: | | Bigger means you burn the tubes faster... |
The tubes don't know how big the screen is.
IMO, it depends more on the size of your room, light control, and how much punch (ftL) you want from the image.
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secstate
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom.W wrote: | Bigger means you burn the tubes faster... Pick your poison Brad
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True all else being equal. I recently picked up a Stewart StudioTek 130 G3 that is 1.3 gain (and really is that gain) to replace my Carada Brilliant White which is claimed to be 1.4 gain but tests out most places at just around 1. The StudioTek is 110" versus my Carada 100" (diagonal) and with the additional gain and less washout from reflected light from the screen off the ceiling (because of the Studiotek's angular reflective properties) my picture is brighter and punchier and my contrast is still at 50 on my Barco. I think screen size to some extent is a matter of personal taste. And a positive gain screen can help you a lot. The WilsonArt DIY is supposedly close the StuidoTek in performance. I got a great deal on my StudioTek used. Basically cost me about what a comparable Carada costs new.
I am honestly surprised how much nicer my picture is with the StudioTek versus the Carada. I wouldn't say it is worth Stewart's normal new price but for the used prices they go for it is worth it.
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papalek
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I kind of agree with Clarence, I do not make mine so it scorches your eyes. I run it were it is bright but not overly bright. Now if I was using mine on a much smaller screen It would last longer. But if you really want the total imersion in the movie then you are going to sacrifice a few years out of the tubes. My 4600 is already about 11 years old. I will run it till the tubes are toast,then put in the spares from my backup unit. After them are toast the chassis will be old enough to start having issues and by that time there will be something on the used market that will be close enough in performance to switch.
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dturco
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| Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: Screen Size Sweet Spot |
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| skittletop wrote: | Hey Guys,
I'm thinking of upgrading to a larger screen, I'm currently running a 1292 on a 92" 16:9 screen, which is great by the way. But, we all know bigger is better right what would you consider the best brightness/size trade off is.
Also, I've noticed a few larger screens popping up that are extremely well priced from Elite Screens, anyone have any experience with these, particularly with regarding CRT.
www.elitescreens.com
They have a good range of budget screens going from 92->150 inches < $200 I quite fancy the 135" (M135XWH) but is this too much area for my lummen deficient 1292 to fill.
Thanks,
Brad. |
Yes I had experience with the elite screens. They in my opinion are to dull for critical viewing with a CRT. I did not measure the light reflectance but i think they are about .09 Gain.
My First screen was an elite
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=17796.html
My new screen is Wilsonart
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=18264.html
Size chasing thread
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=16735.html
That should cover Most of what your aiming for ,if not Post back and we'll try to help sort it out for you.
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Sunstone
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i tried a carada 120inch and to my surprise the light shines trough the screen? in went back to my custom built wall. i'm a professional painter i built it perfectly flat with 2 sheets of drywall 4 ft by 12 ft, then i scemded it smooth with a 12 inch blade and dry wall mud and sprayed it with a fine finish tip 2,10. can't use a roller to applie it will leave a texture which kills the reflective value .used benmoore paint mixed half matt and eggshell white. i use a g70 ,and run it 150inches ,gains are less than factory and contrast is 60 brightness 55 .about to replace with a g90 but got over 10000 hours on these tube so it shows i wasn't running them to hard . i just could not believe that light with through a so called proper sceen.it eats up so much of your brightness, i would of had to run less than 100inch with that screen!!!
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Tom.W
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Was it a micro perf screen ? In my opinion the Stewart studio tek 1.3 is the best screen around.
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draganm
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| zaphod wrote: | | skittletop wrote: | Hey Guys,
Also, I've noticed a few larger screens popping up that are extremely well priced from Elite Screens, anyone have any experience with these, particularly with regarding CRT.
www.elitescreens.com
Brad. |
be very careful with them. inspect the screen carefully, and then again when you get it. look for wrinkles. keep all paperwork. my experience ended with a better business bureau settlement. after a "shipping issue". |
yup, asked them for a sample swatch and they said OK then never sent it. Really seems like another fly-by-night cheap screen company
| Sunstone wrote: | | i tried a carada 120inch and to my surprise the light shines trough the screen? in went back to my custom built wall. i'm a professional painter i built it perfectly flat with 2 sheets of drywall 4 ft by 12 ft, then i scemded it smooth with a 12 inch blade and dry wall mud and sprayed it with a fine finish tip 2,10. can't use a roller to applie it will leave a texture which kills the reflective value .used benmoore paint mixed half matt and eggshell white. i use a g70 ,and run it 150inches ,gains are less than factory and contrast is 60 brightness 55 .about to replace with a g90 but got over 10000 hours on these tube so it shows i wasn't running them to hard . i just could not believe that light with through a so called proper sceen.it eats up so much of your brightness, i would of had to run less than 100inch with that screen!!! |
It's not fair to paint all commercial screens base on the Carada. A Simple search at projector central shows a review where their so-called 1.3 gain leaked light right through the fabric and measured at an actual .65 gain, which is just awful. It literally puts HALF as much light as the Stewart 
http://www.projectorcentral.com/carada_projector_screens.htm
| Quote: | White Screens
Stewart Studiotek 130 130%
Draper M1300 125%
Da-lite CinemaVision 110%
Goo Systems CRT White 100%
Vutec BriteWhite 90%
Carada Classic Cinema White 65% |
If you had tried a Draper 1.3 or Stewart you would have seen something totally different. A painted screen can also be very good, depends on he paint but it's unlikely you will get more than 1.0 gain IMO.
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Sunstone
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well for one of them screens it would cost wayyy more than i have in my wall and i don't know the gain on my wall but i do 150inch easy so i don't need more .it cost me about 300.00 and my time . most people can't do it ,they don't have a good enough sprayer and the skill to do it . tried roller and it looked horrible,compare to the perfectly smooth sprayed on finish. some use blackout cloth and my wall is smoother than the cloth material. i even scemded the wall so i wouldn't have the paper texture from the drywall which is already pretty smooth and i can add gain by changing the sheen of the paint .tried strait eggshell sheen but it hot spoted and tried strait matte and it was good but mixed eggshell and matte and it was perfect. and don't use cheap paint ,i use benjamin moore top of the line 35 to 40 dallors a gallon
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Sunstone
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just looked at stewarts prices and wow around 3000.00 dallors.
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secstate
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| draganm wrote: | | zaphod wrote: | | skittletop wrote: | Hey Guys,
Also, I've noticed a few larger screens popping up that are extremely well priced from Elite Screens, anyone have any experience with these, particularly with regarding CRT.
www.elitescreens.com
Brad. |
be very careful with them. inspect the screen carefully, and then again when you get it. look for wrinkles. keep all paperwork. my experience ended with a better business bureau settlement. after a "shipping issue". |
yup, asked them for a sample swatch and they said OK then never sent it. Really seems like another fly-by-night cheap screen company
| Sunstone wrote: | | i tried a carada 120inch and to my surprise the light shines trough the screen? in went back to my custom built wall. i'm a professional painter i built it perfectly flat with 2 sheets of drywall 4 ft by 12 ft, then i scemded it smooth with a 12 inch blade and dry wall mud and sprayed it with a fine finish tip 2,10. can't use a roller to applie it will leave a texture which kills the reflective value .used benmoore paint mixed half matt and eggshell white. i use a g70 ,and run it 150inches ,gains are less than factory and contrast is 60 brightness 55 .about to replace with a g90 but got over 10000 hours on these tube so it shows i wasn't running them to hard . i just could not believe that light with through a so called proper sceen.it eats up so much of your brightness, i would of had to run less than 100inch with that screen!!! |
It's not fair to paint all commercial screens base on the Carada. A Simple search at projector central shows a review where their so-called 1.3 gain leaked light right through the fabric and measured at an actual .65 gain, which is just awful. It literally puts HALF as much light as the Stewart
http://www.projectorcentral.com/carada_projector_screens.htm
| Quote: | White Screens
Stewart Studiotek 130 130%
Draper M1300 125%
Da-lite CinemaVision 110%
Goo Systems CRT White 100%
Vutec BriteWhite 90%
Carada Classic Cinema White 65% |
If you had tried a Draper 1.3 or Stewart you would have seen something totally different. A painted screen can also be very good, depends on he paint but it's unlikely you will get more than 1.0 gain IMO. |
All screens leak light even my Studiotek 130 though less than my Carada. In fairness to Carada that Classic Cinema White is rated for 1.0 gain not 1.4 which is the Brilliant White material. Also that whole thread on projector central does come off a bit like a Stewart ad. This review shows the Classic Cinema White close to its rated unity gain and the Brilliant White at just above (http://accucalhd.com/documents/AccuCal%20Front%20Projection%20Screen%20Report.pdf). That said I am not defending Carada in anyway as they clearly overate the gains of some of their screens.
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secstate
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| Sunstone wrote: | | just looked at stewarts prices and wow around 3000.00 dallors. |
You gotta look used. In my four months of searching I saw multiple Studiotek 130s selling between $100-1000 in the 100"-114" range. I missed the $100 one by a couple of hours, damn. Qualitatively speaking the upgrade from Carada BW to Studiotek was about 50% of the gain I got from going from an 8" AC set to a 9" LC set. I would put part of that on the fact that I was dumb when I setup my theater and went with dark walls but a white ceiling. The angular reflective properties of the Stewart save me in part from my own stupidity by reducing the washout from reflected light from the screen onto the ceiling and back. That said the BW Carada which is really a unity gain screen looked very good for the 5+ years I used it. Also if you want to do DIY the WilsonArt option is very good as well though its off axis gain is less than the Studiotek.
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secstate
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| Tom.W wrote: | | Was it a micro perf screen ? In my opinion the Stewart studio tek 1.3 is the best screen around. |
Carada doesn't do micro perf or in reality any positive gain screens either. Unless he was running their gray material he was basically running a unity gain screen.
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Tom.W
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Wonder what this screen costs ?
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It's been about a month since the last construction photos. As you can see things are moving along now. I have been working intensely with the Stewart FilmScreen people and they have been able to increase the maximum microperf usable height dimension to 14.5'. This will allow a 26' wide 16 x 9 image. We are currently working on a variable horizontal masking system to enhance the 2:35 and 2:40 images.
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greg_mitch
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| Tom.W wrote: | Wonder what this screen costs ?
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It's been about a month since the last construction photos. As you can see things are moving along now. I have been working intensely with the Stewart FilmScreen people and they have been able to increase the maximum microperf usable height dimension to 14.5'. This will allow a 26' wide 16 x 9 image. We are currently working on a variable horizontal masking system to enhance the 2:35 and 2:40 images.
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