CurtPalme.com Home Theater Forum

**Curt Palme** · Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:47 pm Post subject:

I'll leave your post alone, but Bruce, I'm wondering why you're here. Are you a relative to cat__ like?

I also wonder why you'd consider shipping an entire projector to me for service when the whole CRT business has been built around shipping boards only? The Barco is completely modular as are most other CRTs, the JVC is not.

mp20748 · Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:27 pm Post subject:

**AnalogRocks** · Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject:

BruceLynn · Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: 6 Location: London, UK

I'm here because I had a Cine9 for 5 years so I knew something about them relative to the question of 'are they the best ever'.

In principle, they are modular for board shipping, but my unit succumbed to problems that couldn't be fixed with replacement boards. Henry swapped every single board and still the unit wasn't working properly. So that requred getting the entire thing dismounted and sent off to see what the issue was. True, not every repair is that bad, but it illustrates how severe it can be.

Bruce

**AnalogRocks** · Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject:

mp20748 · Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject:

HaydnG90 · Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 1356

Just be glad you don't have a G90 with the fatal IC421 YA board failure. Even the big names in the electronics industry drop the ball and refuse to support what is a obviously a design/component weakness.

**Curt Palme** · Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject:

At this point I consider all things CRT to be do it yourself.

Bruce, sorry to hear you had a bad experience with your 909/Cine 9, but that's also why I never buy anything that's first edition. Cars, electronics, etc. I've also seen it a lot with digitals The Sony Ruby was the CRT killer, then the Pearl, then oops, no, they've got all sorts of issues, then it was the RS1, wait, nope, it's not good enough, blah blah.

AS Haydn said, you'd have had the same experience with a G90. Ditto for an NEC purchased in 2002. Ditto for a Runco purchased in 2005 or 2006.

'Sorry, we don't service that any more, why not pull it out and buy a new one?'.

Heck, I'm running into unforseen stumbling blocks with 4 year old plasmas now.

I'd say that CRTs are one of the MOST supported products out there when it comes to 'obsolete' products.

Just a counter $.02 for your $.02. Smile

incova · Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 789 Location: london

Bruce is that Henry from CRTPROJECTORS? Did they get back to you on what happened it sounds like a interesting case.

cmjohnson · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 5180 Location: Buried under G90s

The Cine series is still carried by Cineversum. Same product line, different owner. Same as the Marquees, having first been made by Electrohome, then the line was transferred in its entireity to first Christie and then, not long afterwards, to VDC Display Systems, where
they are still being made today and have been the subject of continual product improvements.

Though it was a sad sight to see, I just pulled the last usable parts out of two totally gutted Barco Cine 8 Onyx machines. They were
mostly gutted when I found them. Not one plug-in board left. Blue CRT assemblies still there, the others, gone. At least I know how
big they are and they're NOT really much bigger than a Marquee in total volume, if at all. They're longer but not as tall.

I did score some neck board assemblies, and I wonder how the neck amps stack up to Marquee amps. I wonder if they could be spliced
into a Marquee for in-situ comparative evaluation?

Sorry, it's my habit to ask questions like that. I am perpetually unscrewing the inscrutable. Very Happy

It's why we have Frankenyokes, now
in at least three editions.

CJ

r.bauer · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 280 Location: The Netherlands

CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia

**AnalogRocks** · Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:17 am Post subject:

CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia

Should be great!! My birthday tomorrow so ive got a heap of friends coming over for some beers and shooting tonight, point blank 1, 2, and 3 will be the order of the night, we havent tested Time crisis games yet, we had accuracy issues with Point blank 2 and 3, but it was the cable we were using from the console. I redid the 9PG from scratch last night to prepare for the event!! ( my point board is dead so it all has to be quite presice to get good even convergence )

**AnalogRocks** · Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:35 am Post subject:

BruceLynn · Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: 6 Location: London, UK

I just got a private message from jantje112 who read this post. I tried to reply but the curtpalme siter won't let me...

"Sorry, but the administrator has prevented you from sending private messages or you have less than 5 posts. To prevent spam, sending private messages is disabled for new users. Be aware that all SPAMMING attempts are logged"

So, I'll post a reply here and maybe jantje will read it. I ended up selling the still broken CRT to someone in Italy for about $1500.

As I set about to post this reply to this thread, I see that there were some follow up questions that I never responded to (the thread seemed to veer off to other issues). As just noted, I did sell it. I agree with Curt that I probably was the victim of particularly bad luck. At first Henry (yes, of CRT Projectors) gave amazing service along with his expert engineer James. But after Barco stopped serving the consumer market, the whole process just became too cumbersome. I was having to go without a machine for months as Henry tried to track down parts. Curt might be maintaining a stronger business with more parts and services, but I didn't know much about him at the time.

Yes, I realise that the Barco is modular, but at the end of the day, I shipped every single module to Henry because he struggled to identify the source of the malfunction.

Yes, I can tell a difference between my Cine9 and my new JVC...but not enough to spoil the lions share of my viewing pleasure. Again, I liken the Cine9 to an exotic sports car. Expensive and difficult to run and maintain and for most town and highway driving hard to distinguish from a conventional maintstream sedan. It is only on the track or a winding road that the superior qualities come to the fore. If you are an afficionado such that (a) you do lots of that speciality driving, (b) you have a highly tuned sensitivity to the differences, and (c) you have skills to do a lot of the maintenance yourself, then the justification works a lot better.

Finally, in response to the point to "never buy anything that's first edition", the ironic thing is that my CineMax 9 was the opposite of the 'first edition'. It was actually the 'last' edition. In fact, I would amend the conventional wisdom to "never buy anything that's first edition...or last edition". It's coming to end of life as a (consumer) business is the root cause of all of my problems. Unfortunately, it's hard to know when models and product lines are coming to end of life. I could have guessed from the fact that I got an amazing price on the unit at the time (50% off list), but then I thought that reduction was being driven by the progress of technology and the typical commoditisation of pricing.

Bruce
www.maldivescomplete.com
www.brucelynnblog.spaces.live.com

jantje112 · Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 328

Thanks for the reply!

For a few years back servicing from the more "common" technicians was very diffcult. Because of the rarity and expensive of having a testchassis.

If I had to move out the marquee 9500 someday there will be enoughh smaller digital stuff to play around wth!

CasetheCorvetteman · Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 6326 Location: Australia

Hdale85 · Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Posts: 56 Location: Masury, Ohio

It cost you ~3-5k to ship it alone? This doesn't seem right...heck I can ship a car for about 400 bucks here and I'm pretty sure that's much heavier (and larger) then a CRT projector Smile

**AnalogRocks** · Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:40 am Post subject: