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dturco
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:01 pm Post subject: When do you call it Quits/The Chronicles of Dturco+The moder |
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OK I'm at that stage again where I'm questioning the value of continuing to work on my 9500. I do, or do not, have a considerable amount involved in this 9500, personal opinions will differ.
Purchase $2200, New bellows and Glycol $200 new HDM $225 new MP Mods {A slight upgrade to previous mods so not as much as New mods?}$ 600 New Moome V-2 card $400 New problem with Video Noise? unknown $$?
So Grand Total $3625 and counting.
Yes the picture is Great , it rivals the shots in MP's thread but...
I'm tired of tweaking only to find other small problems to wrestle with.
Digital Panasonic ae4000 $1999 or Epson 8500 $2600 are both less money then I have already spent on this 9500. So when is enough , enough?
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nuttall_chris
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I've been where you are....18 months ago I parted out my heavily modded 9500 Ultra and bought a JVC RS2. Black level and motion resolution are the only place that the RS2 isn't as good as the Marquee, but in every other area it is far better. No more problems, no more tweaking, just sitting back and watching movies 
Chris.
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AnalogRocks
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Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
TV/Projector: Sony 1252Q, AMPRO 4000G
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Well now, don't give up. I chased issues in my Ampro for 18 months at least. It's fine now. I turn it on and it works.
Maybe it's the restorationist in me but I'd just keep going until you have it all fixed.
Digital be damed 
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dturco
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I don't know, parts might become available for the 9500 crowd real soon.
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draganm
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: When do you call it Quits |
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| dturco wrote: | Purchase $2200, New bellows and Glycol $200 new HDM $225 new MP Mods {A slight upgrade to previous mods so not as much as New mods?}$ 600 New Moome V-2 card $400 New problem with Video Noise? unknown $$?
So Grand Total $3625 and counting. |
you probably should never had bought that thing in the first place. Part it out and move on
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mp20748
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| dturco wrote: | | I don't know, parts might become available for the 9500 crowd real soon. |
CRT technology is not for everyone. And it just may not be for you, but before you make such a decision. Go down to your local Ht store and check out the latest and greatest Digitals.
I've not seen your setup, but do know that you have some of the latest things going to make the image really great.
So with that, keep in mind what your setup looks like and then after you've viewed a few of the Digitals, come back to this thread and post what your opinion is from there.
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emdawgz1
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It depends on what you want...
there are guys here who brew their own beer.... Why brew beer when you can go to the store and buy plenty of good beer...
Some guys like the process, as much as the results....
Do you like the HT process, or do you just want to watch movies???? 
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dturco
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: When do you call it Quits |
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| draganm wrote: | | dturco wrote: | Purchase $2200, New bellows and Glycol $200 new HDM $225 new MP Mods {A slight upgrade to previous mods so not as much as New mods?}$ 600 New Moome V-2 card $400 New problem with Video Noise? unknown $$?
So Grand Total $3625 and counting. |
you probably should never had bought that thing in the first place. Part it out and move on |
But wouldn't you miss me Dragan? 
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dturco
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | It depends on what you want...
there are guys here who brew their own beer.... Why brew beer when you can go to the store and buy plenty of good beer...
Some guys like the process, as much as the results....
Do you like the HT process, or do you just want to watch movies???? |
The process should be turn on Machine watch movies. Not turn on machine see something wrong, spend time and money to correct that, then find new problem and not watch movies.
So I want to watch movies, not wait weeks to try and figure out what is causing problems, then watch movies.
I am fairly sure i am very close to having this P/J running top notch. I am just In a bad mood and it is adding to the FIRE.
But with that said If I knew it was just 1 more thing to get it right and I knew the cost of that,I would do whatever" that" is but I don't so...
I vent.
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akajester
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| dturco wrote: | The process should be turn on Machine watch movies. Not turn on machine see something wrong, spend time and money to correct that, then find new problem and not watch movies.
So I want to watch movies, not wait weeks to try and figure out what is causing problems, then watch movies.
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But that wouldn't necessarily be cured by leaving crt right? I mean, it's that way for all technology to some extent. I myself love to just sit down and play a game which is why I stopped playing pc games and bought an xbox 360. The cost of one new video card is the same as a new 360! I had to laugh when one of my friends was going to spend $1500 on a new pc to play fallout3 when $250 would get him the 360 AND the game.
I also wouldn't pay that much for a projector, digital or crt. But that's just me.
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dturco
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| mp20748 wrote: | | dturco wrote: | | I don't know, parts might become available for the 9500 crowd real soon. |
CRT technology is not for everyone. And it just may not be for you, but before you make such a decision. Go down to your local Ht store and check out the latest and greatest Digitals.
I've not seen your setup, but do know that you have some of the latest things going to make the image really great.
So with that, keep in mind what your setup looks like and then after you've viewed a few of the Digitals, come back to this thread and post what your opinion is from there. |
I already KNOW the picture of CRT is more detailed than even the best digitals, and maybe even better over the long term for reliability, but, even when WE find this problem in 2 years if not sooner I will need tubes and whatever else "might" cause a problem. I am frustrated right now, and lets be honest I have been working on this for almost 9 months to get it "almost right".
So I am, I think understandably, tired of the process.
I dosen't mean digital is any better, but it might be less aggrivating.
FOR ME.
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dturco
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| akajester wrote: | | dturco wrote: | The process should be turn on Machine watch movies. Not turn on machine see something wrong, spend time and money to correct that, then find new problem and not watch movies.
So I want to watch movies, not wait weeks to try and figure out what is causing problems, then watch movies.
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But that wouldn't necessarily be cured by leaving crt right? I mean, it's that way for all technology to some extent. I myself love to just sit down and play a game which is why I stopped playing pc games and bought an xbox 360. The cost of one new video card is the same as a new 360! I had to laugh when one of my friends was going to spend $1500 on a new pc to play fallout3 when $250 would get him the 360 AND the game.
I also wouldn't pay that much for a projector, digital or crt. But that's just me. |
Yep but I already have, and the cost just won't seem to stop. I mean where's the end?
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HaydnG90
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Think yourself lucky you don't own a G90  When the IC421 chip on my YA board went bad I basically had a 250lb paperweight in my HT. I 'lived' with this situation for a year whilst I tried to source another chip that is no longer available through Sony and attempts we made to find a 3rd party solution.....all to no avail.
In the end I bought a junk G90 with 5500hrs and toasty tubes and used the YA out of that. Cost me $1500 but I sold the lenses, ceiling mount, extra input boards and remote, so ended up paying in effect $600 for the board which I felt was a result as my unit only has 1750hrs and 600hrs on a new green tube. Plus i have a complete set of boards in case something else goes bad.
I think most people might have given up and moved on. In the end I'm happy I stuck it out and persevered as I have a fantastic picture thanks to the OPPO BDP83 and Moome V2 card, which will only get better when Mike's video chain mods are available.
From reading your responses I think its time to get a digital.
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benareeno
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If you don't see it as a hobby, then get out...by all means!
And if you think digitals aren't as detailed, then you're fooling yourself. You're likely to be very surprised by the current state of digital projection!
You could likely sell your stuff and have an ae4000 and not lose a dime...seems like a no-brainer.
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CRT_Ben
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I'll point out that $825 of the total was unnecessary (dropped HDM and upgrade to new MP mods) leaving you at $2800. But it sounds like you're not a DIY / tweaker type person so I'd cut it loose.
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Ben851
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| nuttall_chris wrote: | I've been where you are....18 months ago I parted out my heavily modded 9500 Ultra and bought a JVC RS2. Black level and motion resolution are the only place that the RS2 isn't as good as the Marquee, but in every other area it is far better. No more problems, no more tweaking, just sitting back and watching movies
Chris. |
You parted out a 9500 ultra and you live in the same city as me?! My god if I had only known!
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dturco
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| HaydnG90 wrote: | Think yourself lucky you don't own a G90 When the IC421 chip on my YA board went bad I basically had a 250lb paperweight in my HT. I 'lived' with this situation for a year whilst I tried to source another chip that is no longer available through Sony and attempts we made to find a 3rd party solution.....all to no avail.
In the end I bought a junk G90 with 5500hrs and toasty tubes and used the YA out of that. Cost me $1500 but I sold the lenses, ceiling mount, extra input boards and remote, so ended up paying in effect $600 for the board which I felt was a result as my unit only has 1750hrs and 600hrs on a new green tube. Plus i have a complete set of boards in case something else goes bad.
I think most people might have given up and moved on. In the end I'm happy I stuck it out and persevered as I have a fantastic picture thanks to the OPPO BDP83 and Moome V2 card, which will only get better when Mike's video chain mods are available.
From reading your responses I think its time to get a digital. |
So you see the MAINTAINANCE as just part of the process of having a home theater? I except that with my car but...My theater? I was very happy with my Mitsubishi RPTV, it, nor the 3 before it. gave me any problems they just worked.
When they died I just bought new ones because it was more cost effective to spend $2500 every 3-4 years then it would have been to fix the old one and wait to see when it would break again. Plus the technology just kept getting better so it was a move up, and cost effective in my mind.
Now If I use that attitude towards the 9500 it almost works out. I am over the initial 2500 but it is a different animal so the price dynamic is not constant here. The reliability is more of the issue than price kinda? Plus add the fact that I have become the repair tech and the difficulty of figuring out what parts are the culprits, plus the wait time to get the parts and... it has me worn down again.
Also even if I wanted to send it to be fixed it would cost $600 just to send it somewhere in shipping costs. Same for in home repair, just to show up, same money plus the unknown parts.
I vent some more.
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dturco
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| CRT_Ben wrote: | | I'll point out that $825 of the total was unnecessary (dropped HDM and upgrade to new MP mods) leaving you at $2800. But it sounds like you're not a DIY / tweaker type person so I'd cut it loose. |
I agree the HDM should not be counted. But the MP upgrades were part of getting the picture to an acceptable level to me, so they do count. Same for the new Moome card without it the picture quality wasn't there.
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nuttall_chris
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| Ben851 wrote: | | nuttall_chris wrote: | I've been where you are....18 months ago I parted out my heavily modded 9500 Ultra and bought a JVC RS2. Black level and motion resolution are the only place that the RS2 isn't as good as the Marquee, but in every other area it is far better. No more problems, no more tweaking, just sitting back and watching movies
Chris. |
You parted out a 9500 ultra and you live in the same city as me?! My god if I had only known! |
You joined the forum in Sept 08...most of it was gone by then, most of it went to Europe.
BTW it more than paid for my new RS2 from AVScience, it also covered most of the cost of my Lumagen Radiance to go with the RS2
Chris.
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huggy
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OH........... do I feel your pain!
I was in this situation with my Barco a year ago.I was only down for a couple of months however,seemed like forever.I was this close to throwing in the towel -but persistance payed off and I have an image to die for now.
If I went through that again I would go digital for sure........we're here to watch movies after all.
If you can afford it,I'd keep both.Troubleshoot the 9500 yourself while enjoying movies on the digital.........and geeze!.......don't spend anymore money on mods,upgrade etc,without the machine purring like a kitten for at least a year!
Dave
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