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picree
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| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:58 am Post subject: RS25 DILA...hmm |
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Was just at my neighbors and got to play with a JVC RS25. Considering it only took a grand total of three minutes to completely dial the damned thing in I suppose I could overlook the slightly-blacker-than-black blackness....oh, and the dead pixel...
This convinces me that digitals are indeed the AOL of home theater. Too many of these bulb thingys and calibrators will be out of a job (sorry Curt).
I guess they do have a place in HT...end of review,
...no further comment. 
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lexx21
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Ahh the good old days when heretics were burned at the stake...... LOL (just kidding)
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kal
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WTS
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Well the day is coming but it's not here yet.
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kal
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JVC RS25
The DLA-RS25 MSRP is $7995 and started shipping around 3rd week of September. 900 lumens and 50,000:1 contrast ratio with a full CMS package.
There's also:
DLA-RS15 ($5495): 1000 lumens, no CMS, 30,000:1 contrast
DLA-RS35 ($9995): A limited edition release which ups the contrast ratio to 70,000:1 with hand picked optics, hand picked chips, hand picked polarizers to maximize performance, minimize convergence errors, etc.
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ecrabb
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| kal wrote: | | DLA-RS35 ($9995): A limited edition release which ups the contrast ratio to 70,000:1 with hand picked optics, hand picked chips, hand picked polarizers to maximize performance, minimize convergence errors, etc. |
I'll take one of these... In about three years when it's going for $1500 used... with low hours... and a free bulb.
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kal
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secstate
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| ecrabb wrote: | | kal wrote: | | DLA-RS35 ($9995): A limited edition release which ups the contrast ratio to 70,000:1 with hand picked optics, hand picked chips, hand picked polarizers to maximize performance, minimize convergence errors, etc. |
I'll take one of these... In about three years when it's going for $1500 used... with low hours... and a free bulb.
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I think 3-4 years is probably my cut over too unless my Runco 1100 goes thermonuclear in the meantime. That price drop might not be too far fetched (though folks on AVS seem to sell used digitals on the high side compared to new) but there was a Runco VX-5000D (a 720p DLP that went for 30k in 2007) and Stewart screen that went for $600 locally. I would have bought it for the screen but it was too big for my room and I didn't want to hassle with cutting it down and making my own frame and the rest.
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picree
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| kal wrote: | Still need to do a greyscale and colour calibration on it... especially the colour calibration to tame the overly saturated primaries no?
Agreed however that the initial focus/geometry/convergence setup is pretty much gone however.
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Yes-true. We did play with that a little by eye. Some of the default settings did not look true. We turned down the Sharpness and turned off the "Detail Enhancement". That helped a bunch. There was something else about adaptive motion or something that was set to high which caused a bit of judder on pans. We turned that off to and it improved.
The thing is, most people who opt for one of these look at it out of the box and say, "good enough". And really, without doing much if any color adjustments, it's definitely watchable. 
One anomaly we did find was at the beginning of The Fifth Element when the meteor streaks across the starfield...it digitally split when it was 75% of the way across the screen.  So they haven't fully mastered THAT yet! Nor the black levels.
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Curt Palme
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It will be interesting to see the failure rate of the JVC units. I've heard of nothing yet, but I know the 5 year old Qualia 004s are going down left right and center with power supply issues. $1500 to repair.
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | It will be interesting to see the failure rate of the JVC units. I've heard of nothing yet, but I know the 5 year old Qualia 004s are going down left right and center with power supply issues. $1500 to repair. |
Nice! I'd try to grab a busted one if'n the bulb werent sooo Damned expensive!!!
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Curt Palme
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Yep, for $1K with a bad power supply and good bulb, I'd buy one too to play with.
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I'm not going digital until the 4600HD (both of them) die. By that time who knows what will be available. I'm not into the humungous screens some of you are running so a really big LED flat screen might just be the ticket.
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To me it seems that Curt is 100% correct about the life span of these digitals. I know my brother just replaced his 10K+ Dwin digital after 5 years as it kept cutting out, I just told him to scrap it as I didn't want to figure out what was wrong with it. So he bought a RS20 for 8K+, for what another 5 years of life.
It just seems like a waste of money, from new to the scrap pile in 5 years. What's that about $1500+/year, I can buy quite a few new tubes for my 1200x for that price and it will last alot longer and I doubt the new digitals will look much better if any in the next 3 to 5 years.
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It may have gotten lost in the comments above but this RS25 started out life with a dead pixel. I'm sorry but for $8K I want all 2,073,600 pixels! That's 39 cents per pixel BTW!
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| picree wrote: | | It may have gotten lost in the comments above but this RS25 started out life with a dead pixel. I'm sorry but for $8K I want all 2,073,600 pixels! That's 39 cents per pixel BTW! |
Your off by a factor of 10, that's actually 0.39 cents per pixel. And the RS25 can be purchased from AVS for $6K, the list price is $8K.
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| WTS wrote: | | .... and I doubt the new digitals will look much better if any in the next 3 to 5 years. |
I think that's pretty nieve, look at the progress digitals have made in the last 5 years. We've gone from 1024×768 4:3 projectors with 1000:1 contrast rations for $20K to 1080P, 16:9, 70000:1 native contrast projectors for under $10K.
I expect in 5 years we will see 2160P projectors with over 500000:1 native contrast for under 10K and they will have either LED or laser light sources that will last 20000 hours or more.
CRT projectors are great and I expect there will be people still using them 10 years from now but I think the reality is that there are currently digital projectors that produce an image that in many ways are better than CRT. The only place that CRT still wins is in on/off contrast and motion resolution. In almost every other aspect digital wins hands down.
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| picree wrote: | | It may have gotten lost in the comments above but this RS25 started out life with a dead pixel. I'm sorry but for $8K I want all 2,073,600 pixels! That's 39 cents per pixel BTW! |
What warranty if any do they have on one dead pixel?
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IMO a dead pixel would not be as bad as a stuck one....Even 1 stuck on (white) would be totally unacceptable.
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