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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:09 pm    Post subject:

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I almost pulled the trigger on the Hitachi DZ-BD70 HDD/SDC/BR/DVD camcorder.
Then I remembered you said the video quality sucks. Hmmmm I need to see a sample of the video from one of these.


Jeremy... Dude... It's a Hitachi... And it's a two-year-old Hitachi! The AVCHD codecs have gotten much better in the two subsequent generations of cameras.

http://www.macworld.co.uk/procreative/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=2902

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The contrast between AVCHD-toting camcorders and their format rivals is particularly striking here. Hitachi’s Blu-ray equipped DZ-BD70E fares the worst, partly because disc-based recording of any stripe seems unfashionably clunky compared to the flash memory or hard drive rivals.

Blu-ray also seems like a stretch too far. Although AVCHD and Blu-ray recording formats are essentially the same, the DZ-BD70E seems almost wilfully different. We can’t believe there’ll be much call for the format in the future, especially from Mac users. The DZ-BD70E’s poor picture quality adds insult to injury.


http://www.macworld.co.uk/procreative/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=2902&productid=107072

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Compared with the sylph-like AVCHD camcorders here, the DZ-BD70E is something of a monster. Its considerable bulk is barely softened by the stylish silver colour scheme that at least makes it look sophisticated and hi-tech.

Having said that, the idea of using a physical disc at all seems like a throwback to an earlier era. The clunking, whirring and whizzing the DZ-BD70E makes as you start it up even reminded us of the old Sony MVC-FD85 Mavica. And tracking down 8cm BD-RE discs for recording can be frustrating. Your best bet is to buy a job lot online, although at £25 a pop, flash memory alternatives start to look a lot more enticing.

So what’s to love? Like the other HD camcorders here, the DZ-BD70E enables you to shoot 1,920 x 1,080i footage. The big plus, supposedly, is that you can take a movie you’ve recorded on a 8cm Blu-ray disc, drop it into your Blu-ray player and then watch it straight back on your HD TV.

What we don’t love, though, is the picture quality. Although the DZ-BD70E serves up decent enough results in well-lit scenes, the built-in auto settings have a tendency to over-compensate. It also copes badly with low-light levels, and the top-mounted microphone picks up noticeable motor whine and disc clunks from within the camera body.


That last paragraph is a show-stopper for me (even if I didn't already hate the clunky disc-based design)... Especially the camera audio that picks up camera noise. That's terrible.

Go take a look at a Canon HF200. There are plenty of reviews, lots of user community support, and the bang-for-buck on all the Canons of the last few years is nearly universally praised.

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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject:

Too bad. It seems a great idea poorly executed.

I'll keep looking. In the mean time I'll nab a used Sony Hi8 with night shot. I miss that feature.

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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:54 pm    Post subject:

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In the mean time I'll nab a used Sony Hi8 with night shot. I miss that feature.


MMMmmm.... Green screen. Reminds of computer monitors circa 1982. Wink

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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:04 pm    Post subject:

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AnalogRocks wrote:
In the mean time I'll nab a used Sony Hi8 with night shot. I miss that feature.


MMMmmm.... Green screen. Reminds of computer monitors circa 1982. Wink

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You know I have three or four of those around here....

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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:23 pm    Post subject:

Hey guys, I pulled the trigger on the Sanyo Xacti VPC-CA9. 9MP 720p/30 <---this annoyed me It also does 640x480 60fps and 30fps.

Stoopidly small. Only thing is there's no power adaptor in the box ( optional not available anywhere I can find ) and also has component output at 480p and 720p with the optional $25 component cable. Rolling Eyes

Must resit buying every accessory. Laughing

I'll post a sample video just as soon as I hook up the SD card reader and figure out what website host's videos at full resolution.

EDIT: Ok let's try this rainy day video first:


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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:33 am    Post subject:

Try Vimeo or even Youtube now has HD videos albeit a bit compressed. There is another one too but I can't remember it.

That looks pretty nice for in car footage. Does it have stabilization?
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:08 am    Post subject:

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Try Vimeo or even Youtube now has HD videos albeit a bit compressed. There is another one too but I can't remember it.

That looks pretty nice for in car footage. Does it have stabilization?


This Sanyo has digital stabilization. It's not too bad.

Optical is king of course.


I had this camera strapped to the had rest of the passenger seat with one of those bendy tripods and the shake is crazy!

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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:12 am    Post subject:

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That looks pretty nice for in car footage.


Did that show up 4:3 or 16:9 on your monitor? It's 16:9 native. It just opened 4:3 for me. I ran into that problem with the other camera in 16:9 when I tried Youtube.

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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:17 am    Post subject:

Here's the sub shop.



EDIT: Damn! They re-compress the video. It doesn't look nearly as good as direct playback.

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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:18 am    Post subject:

AnalogRocks wrote:
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That looks pretty nice for in car footage.


Did that show up 4:3 or 16:9 on your monitor? It's 16:9 native. It just opened 4:3 for me. I ran into that problem with the other camera in 16:9 when I tried Youtube.


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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:48 am    Post subject:

I'm going to guess that budget was the deciding factor.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:56 pm    Post subject:

greg_mitch wrote:
AnalogRocks wrote:
I just like the fact I can carry that one camera. Back the HDD up to the SD card then make a DVD or BR for friends. I'm seriously considering this for my next vacation. Hmmmm.

I also like the Sanyo VPC-HD 2000 BUT you can not buy it in North America yet. Sad

I'm also considering a Sanyo Xacti VPC-CA9 720p water proof to 5 feet. Like my 1994 Hitachi Hi8 was.


Waterproof up to 10' but only 720p.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/600627-REG/Sanyo_VPC_WH1YL_Dual_Camera_Xacti_720p.html

Here is the one my coworker got...I need to get some samples from him!

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/600626-REG/Sanyo_VPC_FH1_VPC_FH1_Dual_Camera_Xacti.html

Don't get the hitachi!


I used one of the Sanyo Xacti waterproof ones on a white water canoeing trip last spring. We dumped in some pretty serious rappids with this thing strapped to the front of our canoe and it still worked fine. It was under water for many minutes before we recovered our canoe. It poured rain for most of the 4 days we were using it and even snowed once, very durable camera. Also it has 30x optical zoom with image stabilization. Only 720P but at that price I think it's very good value.

http://sanyo.com/xacti/english/products/vpc_wh1/index.html

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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:45 pm    Post subject:

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I'm going to guess that budget was the deciding factor.


Budget? What's a budget? I'm an equipment geek. Damn the $$torpedo's$$ full speed ahead.

No the deciding factor on this one was the waterproof-ness of the camera. My 1994 Hitachi Hi8 waterproof lost its seals and can no longer get wet safely. This one replaces that one.

Now I need another Canon L2 and then a 1080p camera. Hopefully 3CCD.

I'd like something like an L2, changeable lenses 3CCD 1080p.
Waterproof! ( <---wishful thinking )

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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:48 pm    Post subject:

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http://sanyo.com/xacti/english/products/vpc_wh1/index.html

Chris.


Yep I considered that one. But I wanted a pocketable camera. The CA9 is flat and fit's in a pocket better. It only had 5x zoom but it's also not my only camcorder.

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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:26 am    Post subject:

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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:03 pm    Post subject:

ROFL!!!!!!
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject:

Too f*king much! LOL

Tipard = Retard

You ever see that comedy special where the comedian says " You know how to make people sound less powerful? Put DJ in front of their name" LMASO

So DJLife. Yo yo

'sup boyz?' LMAFASSO

(puts on the sweet puppy/Bambi doe eyes) Is your Tipard software really that good? Will this hellp me make better video. Will it cure world hunger?

OR

Most importantly....WILL IT BLEND?!

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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject:

What is a good camcorder for recording my bands shows and practices? I've been looking into buying a camcorder to record my bands shows. I need something 125$ or less. I really want something that has good audio (obviously) and can capture a good picture in dark places. The venues I play in tend to be dark. I have been looking at Aiptek camcorders but I'm worried I'm going to buy something that isn't worth the money. Does anyone have any suggestions on camcorders?
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:27 pm    Post subject:

Stay away from Aiptek they are toy junk. I looked at all the $100 camcarders. None were worth buying. That's why I got the Sanyo CA9. Around $300 plus accessories. Keep in mind however the Sanyo's DO NOT come with the AC power adaptor. It's listed as optional in teh owners manual but NOT AVAILABLE from Sanyo in North America! They also do not include the component output cables they want an extra $50 (!) for them.

However it's got great sound. Low light not so much.

If you're on that tight of a budget you may want to look at a standard def DV camera from a few years ago on ebay.

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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject:

I would like to add a recommendation for the Kodak Zi8.

Shoots 1080p at 30FPS or 720p at 60FPS. Has mic input. Takes SD cards. Includes software with the camera so any computer you plug the thing into will have the software. Integrate USB plug. Has electronic image stabilization.

The only drawback I have so far is that they went away from the AA batteries and went with a LI battery instead. Not that big of a deal but still annoying.
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