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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:52 am Post subject: |
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I believe Art tested this over at AVS. If I remember correctly, then he found little radiation exposure.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Chip, As you can see in this pic there are two braided ground cables covered in a black insulation going from under the copper tape to the Video neck board, then that board is grounded to the chassis as TSE explained. I think this would work better than just to the chassis as there is lots of resistance on the VNB that the arc would be absorbed by before it goes into the chassis, not sure if my line of reason is even correct but i dont like the idea of a high voltage arc going into the chasis and who knows where eles it might arc over to that is not a ground.I got the copper tape from newark or mouser, and then you can use clear packing tape to cover the copper tape to isolate it from the chassis.
But i do like your X-ray box !!!! I was thinking of lining the plasic housings on the tube's in the marquee with the same led
sheets used for the x-ray shield to isolate any stray magnetic fields , the original PJ thath these thomas tubes were in had each tube isolated form the other to avoid any air born EMF and Magnetic Fields.
Athanasios
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Ridebreck
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 943 Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | I believe Art tested this over at AVS. If I remember correctly, then he found little radiation exposure. |
Yep. I recall a few years ago where he brought some X-ray film home from work, put it in his G-90 and ran it there for hours and hours. I don't think he ever got any sort of exposure.
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tse
Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 1014 Location: Sweatbucket, Fl.
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| stefuel wrote: | | tse wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | That should about do it  |
That is frikin' beautiful! Now, use the Marquee method of grounding the external dag. Copper tape on the dag, cable from there back to the spark gap ground on the CRT card then a cable from there to the chassis.. Don't ground it to the housing.
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What is the "Marquee method"? The X-ray shield I used has a four finger isolated spring contact ground that makes contact with the tube bell then goes back to the crt card and then to the chassis ground on the mother board. Is that not good enough. Where would I get copper tape to do it otherwise?
That tube assembly is made up with a Thomas tube. It was a little tricky rewiring the neck board socket for it to work but it should be OK. It will be interesting to see how well a 4600 will optically focus up with Marquee optics and the high rez Thomas tubes.
Now if I could just squeeze out a bit more bandwidth. I only know one guy that stands a chance at that Would something other then the LM1202N be of any help? |
No, that's good. The whole idea is to ground the external dag at the spark gap ground on the CRT card. If the copper fingers are isolated from the shield then you are there. I forgot that the later Ampro projectors were set up like that. Dang CRS.
The LM1202/LM2202 is not the drag on bandwidth. The CRT card output transistors are. None were ever developed that were any better is the bummer.
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stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 3353 Location: Green Harbor MA USA
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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"The LM1202/LM2202 is not the drag on bandwidth. The CRT card output transistors are. None were ever developed that were any better is the bummer."
There must be something I can do? I mean really, all I want to do is double it
Is that to much to ask
How hard would it be to adapt a set of those high bandwidth Barco neck boards? I know where there is a set.
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stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 3353 Location: Green Harbor MA USA
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:25 am Post subject: |
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I have today off plus the long weekend
Todays project is to attach some spring clips to the four corners of the shield to hold it tight to the aluminum housing. The silicon has been setting for 5 days now and should be cured. Damn those Marquee housings use a lot of silicon.
I will put the 4600 in the garage back together and test the tube this weekend.
If this project tests well and I decide to continue with the Marquee couplings in a AmPro mod, I will only seal the tube face to the coupling with silicon and fill the huge gaps aroung the edges with epoxy. A thin film of silicon will cure over night. Then use a 30 minute epoxy to fill the gap. This will allow you to use the tube right away and it will not leak. That 4 oz or so of silicon that it takes to glue a tube in takes forever to cure. The epoxy will pour right into the gap. All the air bubbles will come to the top before it cures so no air gaps to cause leaks.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:51 am Post subject: |
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I'd like to know what is in the original tubes, I dont think it is pure silicon, maybe i could take some sample scraps to Dale at Apple rubber and have him run a test on it.... he might do it for free for me
I to was thinking of Epoxy but was worried about how solid it is and if there is no "give" to it the expansion with heat of the tube and the transfered heat to the epoxy might make them both expand and not have and flex... then Pop!!!!! there goes a tube.
Athanasios
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1031
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 657 Location: Finland
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Ok I found the thread on the English AVFORUM where he actually called the fire department to take readings!!!!
Here is last post in the thread:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/crt-projectors/836409-electrohome-marquee-8110-xray-radiation-ozon-2.html
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To all, just for info:
As I said, I was going to measure the radiation on my Marquee. I could not rent one, but I called the fire brigade and they sent a note, an exercise mission if you will, to the Civil Protection Service! They came to my house and measured it up. They assured me there was no problem. Though they measured mostly right on the shielding, they measured other spots in the house as well, and the radiation was actually higher in my corridor, then in my living room, with the PJ on! They measured background radiation first, which was about 110 Bq/m³. In my house values were around 150- 180... which is still good. Higher values in the house can be because of slightly radiocative stuff in construction materials and Radon gass, which leaks into the house from the earth.
On top of that, I had a metal plate lying around, which I put in the box I made to cover the Marquee. I guess all this together even reasures my crazy and over-worrying mind.
It does imply though that I will have to stick with my marquee, as this has been measured ...:rotfl: |
He was really paranoid......
Athanasios
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stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 3353 Location: Green Harbor MA USA
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| 1031 wrote: | | I think that grey "stuff" that is used at marquee tubes is some sort of potting material (looks about same that HVPS has inside HV-area) |
I have only removed one tube from a quee coupling. Whatever the original material was, looked like it went in the void as a liquid (poured in).
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| stefuel wrote: | | 1031 wrote: | | I think that grey "stuff" that is used at marquee tubes is some sort of potting material (looks about same that HVPS has inside HV-area) |
I have only removed one tube from a quee coupling. Whatever the original material was, looked like it went in the void as a liquid (poured in). |
I agree Chip. I do not think it is PURE Silicon, maybe some sort of "Mix". poured in thin then let to dry
over a long period.
Athanasios
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Nashou66
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stefuel
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"Dang CRS." ???
Surely there must be something that can be done about the bandwidth? In all the years since these were manufactured, no one ever made better ouput transistors if even for another application?
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