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Curt Palme
CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Langley, BC
TV/Projector: All of them!
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No, that would be leaving WITH grease. 
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Tom.W
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I stand corrected..................
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006
Posts: 5689
Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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| Curt Palme wrote: | Hey dturco, if the projector came from Gary M's place, it's doomed. All others are repairable.
Why not start a new thread on the dropping out blue problem. I'm sure others will chime in that might be turned off by page 1 of this theead.
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let me add a few things to this discussion that needs to be known in order to help out here.
This projector was purchased or was evaluated at the sellers house mounted on the sellers ceiling, and it was fully functioning. The only problem that I was told about when I spoke to both the seller and buyer at the time of the evaluation, was that it would not work with the Moome card. Other than that problem, both seller and buyer clearly indicated that the projector was working fine.
It has been maybe three years since I've seen this projector. And usually if there was a problem with it, the seller would have had me down to look at that problem. The projector was listed for sale by the seller as a working projector. The projector was originally purchased from Tim Martin about 4 years ago. And as we all know, Tim ONLY sold PRIME Marquees.
So, where ever you guys go with this, do trust that that Marquee was 100% functional when it left the sellers house..
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stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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Location: Green Harbor MA USA
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I have just read both of your threads about your (new to you) Marquee. I'm sorry but I don't think there is a problem with the projector. There may be a problem with the HD input but That's for someone else to decide.
My first suggestion is (well my second, the first one went over like a lead balloon) to stop right now and spend some time studying.
Second, dump the HD input for the time being and connect to a PC with a easy resolution like XGA to learn with. Although the projector will eventually do what you want, it was not designed to. It was however designed for PC resolutions and as such will be easier for first time setup. You need to learn to walk before you can learn to run. Many here have forgotten how long it took them to accuire the skills it takes to setup a CRT for really high scan rates.
Now I have only worked on one Marquee but as I recall, the menu structure is the same as the older ECP's and have a guided setup. The ECP's did require a signal present to do it and XGA is super easy to do.
Forget about all the advanced instructions you are getting. If you don't understand the basics they will be useless to you and probably cause more harm then good
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dturco
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Posts: 3778
Location: Eastern Shore Maryland
TV/Projector: Runco DLP VX-3000i Marquee 9500 parts doner
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So, where ever you guys go with this, do trust that that Marquee was 100% functional when it left the sellers house.. | Quote: |
How can you say this. If as you say I have not seen the P/J in over three years. No one including myself knows what happen to the P/J while it was being removed from the ceiling. I can only attest to what has happened while in my possession. It was the above kind of statements that led me to believe your were very familiar with the P/J. I am not questioning the condition of the P/J any longer. It is obvious that neither you nor I know the true condition.
The thread started as an honest question about repair and set-up pricing. Wich I have already stated appear to be the going price and so have others. If you had not jumped in to attack the thread we would both be getting want we wanted, me a working 9500, you getting paid your going rate.
I hope this ends this thread. It has for me.
A new thread will be started on the primary problems of the blue tube issue, the on screen menu,and convergence. |
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stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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Location: Green Harbor MA USA
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I don't suppose this was the X lawyers projector? If so, it was well maintained.
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nuttall_chris
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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| dturco wrote: | Thank you. But no thats not it. The green does project an image and text. The blue and red just display a black square on the tube face. On the screen I can see a grid pattern sticking out from behind the square wich will move with the remote commands but can not be seen in the black square on the tube or screen.
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The Red and Blue are suppose to be displaying a black square at this point in the guided mechanical setup. In that portion of the process the display is showing a black background with green text. All three tubes have the same black square but the green tube is also showing the text.
If you follow the instructions on screen, it will guide you to look into each lense one at a time to center the raster. The black square will no longer be in the tube that you are adjusting. If that doesn't work, don't use the guided setup, you can pull up the grid test pattern and do your raster centering (adjusting focus coil/electronic centering)
Follow the setup as per section 2.9 of the manual;
http://www.curtpalme.com/docs/ElectrohomeMarqueeUltra8500_8500LC_9500LC_User.pdf
Don't expect to have a perfect setup your first time. It's taken most of use many, many hours to learn how to properly set up and troubleshoot a CRT. Fortunately you have a Marquee, which is likely one of the easiest CRT projectors to setup.
Your intermittent blue issue, sounds like a loose connection, try reseating the blue neckboard and all the cables connected to it, also make sure the blue signal cable coming from the VIM isn't damaged or loose on the VIM end of the connection.
You need to learn how to do this as CRT a hobby, before going digital, I worked my way through almost every Marquee (8000, 8500AC, modded 8500AC, 8500LC, 9500, modded 9500LC Ultra) I spent more time fixing/tweaking/troubleshooting my projectors than I did actually watching them (thats why I went digital) My first setup looked like sh*t but with time and a lot of reading and asking the right questions on forums like this I was able to setup the Marquee quite well.
Here are some screenshots taken by Kal at my place on my mildly modded 8500AC;
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=3976.html
You need to get some patience and try to work through the issues with your set.
Chris.
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draganm
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| nuttall_chris wrote: | | The Red and Blue are suppose to be displaying a black square at this point in the guided mechanical setup. In that portion of the process the display is showing a black background with green text. All three tubes have the same black square but the green tube is also showing the text.If you follow the instructions on screen, it will guide you to look into each lense one at a time to center the raster. The black square will no longer be in the tube that you are adjusting. If that doesn't work, don't use the guided setup, you can pull up the grid test pattern and do your raster centering (adjusting focus coil/electronic centering). |
this has already been explained a couple of times in the previous thread. It seems like we have a situation where we have a PJ that has something wrong with it and a new CRT owner easilly frustrated and not absrobing all the info posted here. It's tough, I can see where a lot of frustration can boil up quickly if you just spent over $2K on something that turns out to be a project. 
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HaydnG90
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| draganm wrote: | | nuttall_chris wrote: | | The Red and Blue are suppose to be displaying a black square at this point in the guided mechanical setup. In that portion of the process the display is showing a black background with green text. All three tubes have the same black square but the green tube is also showing the text.If you follow the instructions on screen, it will guide you to look into each lense one at a time to center the raster. The black square will no longer be in the tube that you are adjusting. If that doesn't work, don't use the guided setup, you can pull up the grid test pattern and do your raster centering (adjusting focus coil/electronic centering). |
this has already been explained a couple of times in the previous thread. It seems like we have a situation where we have a PJ that has something wrong with it and a new CRT owner easilly frustrated and not absrobing all the info posted here. It's tough, I can see where a lot of frustration can boil up quickly if you just spent over $2K on something that turns out to be a project. |
Yeah, we CRT'ers know all about frustration, especially those with G90's who can't find unobtanium chips to get their projectors running again.
Unfortunately there is very little instant gratification in this hobby. You get out what you put in...or pay the price and have a professional do it for you. Ultimately you're going to need to tweak whatever setup is performed on a not infrequent basis as the electronics/magnetics have a tendency to drift over time, which means you need to understand the setup menus and how to adjust the image.
The G90 was a little daunting for me, even though I had years of experience setting up a BG 808S. A well known calibrator (at least in the direct view CRT area) who had also done a couple of G90's was on a calibration tour through Dallas 2 years ago and so I took advantage of this and had him set things up, probably getting 90-95% performance out of the projector. He spent 14 hours working non-stop on the pj and was extremely reasonable given the time spent on the setup.
Good luck getting the unit up and running.
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006
Posts: 5689
Location: Maryland
TV/Projector: 9500LC Ultra / Super 02 and 03 VIM
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Below is one of the reasons why I do very little setups. Though I'm seriously looking forward to helping William with his blend setup in October, and I'm also going to Italy in a month or so to do a Marquee. But other than that, I get to play with some rather fancy setups..
This setup is a CAVE. It's what we call EDGE matching 4 projector display.
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dturco
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Posts: 3778
Location: Eastern Shore Maryland
TV/Projector: Runco DLP VX-3000i Marquee 9500 parts doner
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Please do not continue this thread anyone. It just needs to die. It was an angry frustrated noob going off.
Thank you to everyone who has tried to help me.
Dave
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