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bpb
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject: what should a barco 1209 with these tubes cost? |
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Hi Y'all,
A barco 1209 I fore sale in my area, crt fore sale here does not happen so offen.
But the tubes arent as good as id like.
what price would be resonable?
best regards
panduro
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Curt Palme
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About $1.50. 
With worn blue and green tubes, I personally would not even buy it, but as you say, the sets are harder to find in Europe.
Probably $500 or so. You could probably live with the green wear, but I'd change the blue first, as the yellowing in the middle of the screen would be really annoying to me.
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secstate
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The value of any CRT today is mostly in the tubes. A new tube will cost you 1k+ and decent used can be (very) hard to find. The value is hard for me to judge since these sets are far more common in North America, but I think $500 with two worn tubes is more than I would pay in North America. In Europe that might be reasonable. That wear especially blue will be seen and would drive me nuts.
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bpb
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Hi Curt,
always nice to get the pro's opinions.
i coudn't aggre more with needs of a tube change. what would 2 new tubes cost? You woudnt know what freight to eu(denmark) would cost, a ball park figure is fine
I put a bit of heat on him about his price because of the tubes, refereing to your webpage and he replied he found a 1209 in the states with 1 good tube and 2 that was in worse condition than his and without lenses. and said it was 2000 dollars
(1) Barco 1209s as is but with convergence boards set for flat screen use. Good red tube, bad G and B, no lenses $2000.00
well he was almost right, you are sellin a 1209S. how much more is the S model worth, just need some good arguments 
500 that sounds cheap, he wants 1400...
best regards
panduro
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Curt Palme
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The 1209s is a newer better set. Frankly, I'd walk away. No one will want that set at $1400. I've done that too many times to count (yesterday was the last time, the guy wanted $4250 for an as is nonworking 9500, I've got him down to $1K, and I told him that was too much, I've offered $600 and won't move off that price)
Tubes from VDC are $1650 USD each, although I know that Greg Eisemann offers tubes for less. I haven't tried them yet though.
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bpb
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I cant walk away, my D50 needs at big brother 
i offered 500 dollars, så lets see what happens and ill have to figure out what to do about the tubes then.
thanks for the replyes
panduro
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donaldk
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Those Boeing tubes are around 1000 usd, perhaps a bit more if you don't buys his boardmodifications. Add shipping, and duties, you are talking about at least 2K Euro for two tubes.
A 1209 with reasonable tubes was offered on the Dutch forum not too long ago for E 1500,- not sure what Gerbrand ended up paying for it, but that was a well maintained and well set-up machine that had seen mostly HT use.
So, even for Europe this one is expensive. On the other hand Arbey alerted us to two 1209s units the seller wanted 3500 euro (each) for , too expensive for him to pick up and get a re-sale margin on, they sold though, hard to guess the goingprice.
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bpb
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well now he's willing to part with it for 710 dollars, think im just gonna wait a while and se what happens.
2K euro is a big chunk of change, ill end up on flebay looking for decent tubes i think, but it should still be a step up from my d50.
best regards
panduro
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Gerbrand
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| donaldk wrote: |
A 1209 with reasonable tubes was offered on the Dutch forum not too long ago for E 1500,- not sure what Gerbrand ended up paying for it, but that was a well maintained and well set-up machine that had seen mostly HT use.
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I did not get that much of a discount. But don't forget that my 1209s has colored Cs, which should add a few 100 Euros to the price. It also has PT22s, which are a bit sharper than the regular.
Just a few months earlier a 1209s went on the French ebay for 1550 euros but that one had pretty bad wear.
So for this set: around 700-800 euros?
Gerbrand
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secstate
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| Gerbrand wrote: | | donaldk wrote: |
A 1209 with reasonable tubes was offered on the Dutch forum not too long ago for E 1500,- not sure what Gerbrand ended up paying for it, but that was a well maintained and well set-up machine that had seen mostly HT use.
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I did not get that much of a discount. But don't forget that my 1209s has colored Cs, which should add a few 100 Euros to the price. It also has PT22s, which are a bit sharper than the regular.
Just a few months earlier a 1209s went on the French ebay for 1550 euros but that one had pretty bad wear.
So for this set: around 700-800 euros?
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Also do not forget that the 1209s on top of having better tubes, has continuous schiempflug (however you spell it), upgraded firmware, better video chain, etc... In my opinion a Barco 1209 should go for 1/3 the price of a comparable 1209s so 500 euros more or less.
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Also do not forget that the 1209s on top of having better tubes, has continuous schiempflug (however you spell it), upgraded firmware, better video chain, etc... In my opinion a Barco 1209 should go for 1/3 the price of a comparable 1209s so 500 euros more or less. |
Actually mine is an early model 1209s which does not have the continuous Scheimpflug (just say lens flapping), but still...
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r.bauer
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The only reason you want a 9" is for its picture quality. And with two tubes that are shot, the whole set becomes worthless aka boatanchor . I would pay no more than €100 for it, even in Denmark/EU.
And finding tubes on ebay is a risky business. Just put two, possibly three new tubes in. Try to get a good deal on a complete set and you are fine regarding tubes. There just is no substitute for new tubes in my opinion, that is what your goal should be.
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bpb
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new tubes would be ideal, and I know ebay is at risky place, but I wont have 2k euro to spend on ht for a while. So it more a matter of getting it up to okay performance when comparing it to my sony D50. and hopefully thats a possibility for less.
i know it wont have perfect colors before both the green and the blue is changed for good used/new tubes, but will it be that bad if i find a decent used blue tube?
Will i be wanting too kick my own ass if i buy it and cant afford 2 new tubes?
best regards
panduro
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draganm
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| bpb wrote: | | So it more a matter of getting it up to okay performance when comparing it to my sony D50. and hopefully thats a possibility for less.panduro |
Performance-wise there's a LOT of machines between the D50 and the 1209 without having to break open the bank for 9 inch tubes. You can get fully serviced and re-tubed 8 inch EM focused set for less than the cost of 2 new 9 inch tubes. A machine that will easilly outperfrom the D50.
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jkruger
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Doesn't Curt have some 808s for a decent price?
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bpb
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he he yes i know, almost every other crt will out perform the d50. I know theres a lot of other machines out there, but i rarely se anything but the oldest marq, sony 1031 and the likes. maybe i should reconsider.
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panduro
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Curt Palme
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Check the projector performance list in the FAQ section of the site. That's a good place to get a performance reference from.
If $1600 incl shipping isn't too much, you can't really go wrong with a good condition BG808s. I've got a few left at $1200 plus about $400 USD shipping to an airport in Denmark.
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draganm
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| bpb wrote: | | i rarely se anything but the oldest marq, panduro |
most Marquee's are from 1995 to 1997, I think the 1209 your looking at is at least that old?
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dturco
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Do yourself a favor just buy from Curt. It took me 3 months of searching to find a good projector which is only marginally better then the barco 808s Curt is selling and cost me $1000 more with no warranty. 
It's worth the piece of mind that warranty. 
And more importantly you will be watching movies not searching for an impossible deal. 
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| dturco wrote: | | And more importantly you will be watching movies not searching for an impossible deal. |
better get in on the new bellows deal with Nash, that's the biggest problem with Maquee LC's and lends a whole new meaning to the word impossible when they fail completely . 
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