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Number of CRT home theatre's with White ceilings?
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Do you have a White ceiling
No, I am dtermined to get the most performance I can from my HT
54%
 54%  [ 34 ]
Yes, but I plan to get rid of it as soon as my living conditions allow
12%
 12%  [ 8 ]
Yes my ceilign is white and so what, pic looks OK to me?
22%
 22%  [ 14 ]
My wife beats me
9%
 9%  [ 6 ]
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draganm



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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:18 am    Post subject: Number of CRT home theatre's with White ceilings?

I was flipping through some of the pics and was surprised at the number of installs with Glraing White ceilings. This pretty much kills the ability of a CRT, or any other projector, to deliver anywhere near it's full potential in contrast ratio. so I was wondering, how many people here are settling with a washed out pic from their white ceiling?
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:34 am    Post subject:

Black Ceiling right from the start!!!!



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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:48 am    Post subject:

I have a dark gray ceiling not optimum but better then white. Cliff goes as far as to place a black piece of velvet on the floor in front of the screen, it does indeed make a huge difference.

I'm due for a theater revamping soon mine's been in place for 8 years. Thinking about the cool looking star treatment like SanmanX did.

A local high end HT dealer has a room with that type of ceiling and it is really neat with the stars off its black and could probably pass the WAF. I would NOT do the light colored soffits it ruins the whole effect.

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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:03 am    Post subject:

You don't have to do the whole ceiling to reap the benefits - do the first 10 feet or so, or the area between the screen and projector and you're good.

I've only done about half that in flat black, the rest is dark chocolate brown (the picture below make it seem brighter than it is).







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draganm



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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:27 am    Post subject:

dammit, every time Kal posts pics of his HT I feel like ripping mine out and starting over from scratch.
2 people so far voted , "yes,so what, it's fine". I think some of you guys need to get out more and visit other peoples theaters. It's a little scary at first but after the first beer everyone is getting along just fine. Wink
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Mr. Green



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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:47 am    Post subject:

draganm wrote:
dammit, every time Kal posts pics of his HT I feel like ripping mine out and starting over from scratch.
2 people so far voted , "yes,so what, it's fine". I think some of you guys need to get out more and visit other peoples theaters. It's a little scary at first but after the first beer everyone is getting along just fine. Wink


Cute, I'm not painting my living room ceiling, not everyone has a theatre or usable basement.

See other setups? WTS is in Calgary here with me (no clue what projector he even has), BillinBeaumont is 3 hours away and his 801s was the only other CRT I've ever been able to see (which got me hooked at any rate), jask and Bruce09 are in Kamloops are like a 8-9 hour drive away. I don't know of anyone else remotely around. Any further and I might as well go visit Curt... which would be like a pilgramage of sorts, but I don't want to do that until I can go get that MP modded 9500lc with the Vision 1 case from him and pay cash! Wink

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Clarence



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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:18 am    Post subject:

draganm wrote:
dammit, every time Kal posts pics of his HT I feel like ripping mine out and starting over from scratch.


I always enjoy the product photography and lighting. Looks like you were rockin' the 10-22.

I just ordered a Tokina 12-24 last night. Thumbs Up

I've been torn between the Canon 10-22, Tok 11-16/2.8, and the Tok 12-24. But after reading the reviews on FM and the pixel peeper sites, and viewing thousands of shots on flickr, I decided to try the 12-24. The 11-16 was tempting since it's f/2.8 instead of f/4, but the performance and QA seemed inconsistent.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:19 am    Post subject:

P.S. My ceiling is charcoal gray with RL Suede texture. Love it.
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Nashou66



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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:26 am    Post subject:

Clarence wrote:
P.S. My ceiling is charcoal gray with RL Suede texture. Love it.


My walls are the pacific bluff RL stone paint.. same texture as the suede, actually my whole
house has that type of paint !

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Mr. Green



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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:12 am    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Clarence wrote:
P.S. My ceiling is charcoal gray with RL Suede texture. Love it.


My walls are the pacific bluff RL stone paint.. same texture as the suede, actually my whole
house has that type of paint !

Athanasios


I want to see a picture of both. I generally dislike textured walls, bu haven't ever looked at a "faux" technique done properly. Most DIY'ers do a crappy job.

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NewbieDAN



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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:54 am    Post subject:

Flat black
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csamos



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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:20 pm    Post subject:

The entire ceiling and front wall are both flat black, and there are black acoustic panels on the ceiling and walls.

Here's a shot of the ceiling in front of the projector:



Here's a view towards the screen:



I also recently covered the glass doors of the component cabinet with black felt, and now when a scene goes black, the theater goes black. It's awesome. Smile

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Zubinell



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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:55 pm    Post subject:

Mr Green Writes
"Cute, I'm not painting my living room ceiling, not everyone has a theatre or usable basement."

The popular notion of painting a ceiling white is due to the use of table lamps, chandeliers and the like for room lighting. The concept was founded when we lit our home with candles. If the ceiling is white the light reflects and illuminates better. Since it is impossible to marry table lights and front projection, you need to use recessed down lighting in the room. When using down lighting the color of the ceiling is meaningless to everything but the projector. I find that a grey ceiling works excellently for reducing projector reflection and makes a very livable room. I can watch the projector with the recessed lights dimmed and enjoy perfect safe vision in the room. Our theater is in the family room and fully dark is not the best things when the kids are traveling through.

I say try it and not only will you like it, you will absolutely love it.
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Clarence



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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:50 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Clarence wrote:
P.S. My ceiling is charcoal gray with RL Suede texture. Love it.


My walls are the pacific bluff RL stone paint.. same texture as the suede, actually my whole
house has that type of paint !

Athanasios


Yep, we have it in our MBR, too... a darkish green. I originally was going to try to use it in our boys' rooms, hoping to hide the inevitable smudges and scrapes, but the RL texturizer ends up like a chalkboard surface... shows a fingernail scratch easily.

I wasn't a fan of faux finishes either... especially sponging or ragging... always looks like a bad episode from my wife's HDTV DIY channel.

But I love it on the HT ceiling... hides drywall seams nicely. And it looks great in our MBR.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Number of CRT home theatre's with White ceilings?

draganm wrote:
I was flipping through some of the pics and was surprised at the number of installs with Glraing White ceilings. This pretty much kills the ability of a CRT, or any other projector, to deliver anywhere near it's full potential in contrast ratio. so I was wondering, how many people here are settling with a washed out pic from their white ceiling?


It only affects ANSI cr not on/off cr. While I agree that it will hurt the potential, how much is actually needed with a poor ANSI cr? Also, I believe Guy Kuo said from his testing that the rear wall was more important.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:18 pm    Post subject:

For those that think a white ceiling is acceptable and that the end result in PQ looks acceptable then why not just go digital?
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:41 pm    Post subject:

I have been debating this issue myself. I was thinking about going with some curtains and black felt or velvet-like panels to fill in the space around the screen and maybe put a strip of panels about a meter or so wide on the ceiling. My setup will be rear projection with a 3.5 gain screen though, my point being that most of the light is directed in a fairly narrow cone toward the couch. The dynamics are so different from front projection I'm not sure if it will matter as much.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject:

Mr. Green wrote:
I want to see a picture of both. I generally dislike textured walls, bu haven't ever looked at a "faux" technique done properly. Most DIY'ers do a crappy job.


That's why I call my brother-in-law do do those sort of things!

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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Number of CRT home theatre's with White ceilings?

Spanky Ham wrote:
It only affects ANSI cr not on/off cr. While I agree that it will hurt the potential, how much is actually needed with a poor ANSI cr?
In theory yes, but in reality most theatres have some light leaking in. Even a few Blue lights in my equipment rack will wash out the screen if I don't hide them. I recently plugged in a 3 x 1 HDMI switcher, the one they sell on this forum, the amount of light this thing can potentially put on your screen is amazing.
A Black wall will absorb all light (every color) that hits it, and a white wall will reflect all light (every color). So in practice, a Black or Dark wall will help with ON/off as we all as ANSI. Since ANSI is not very good on a CRT this is one thing all CRT guys should be aiming to improve anyway.
My wife painted the living room while I was gone (not the HT), it went from a light beige to a Cappuccino brown. No question the room is darker now at all times of the day. It's not only candles that will refelct from a White ceiling either , light from any source will be absorbed or reflected by dark walls and ceilings. When this happens, the screen will appear to pop out from the screen wall and look a lot brighter as well.

Spanky Ham wrote:
Also, I believe Guy Kuo said from his testing that the rear wall was more important.
He said a lot of smart things but this isn't one of them. How can the back wall which is 20 to 30 feet away, have the biggest effect? The biggest effect is the walls your eyes are trained on. This would be the screen wall and ceiling, followed closely by the floor and side walls.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject:

Painted mine flat black.

Now if I could just get around to painting the rest of the living room.

Just having the celing black makes a huge difference. I can fall asleep much easier in there now. Very Happy

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